I've been thinking that, in addition to the glorious smaller-scale model of #Socialcoop, we need a model #fediverse instance that looks more like a medium-sized credit union. Things like:
- thousands of members rather than hundreds
- professional staff for tech, business, legal, moderation
- less active user participation in governance, but still democratic (e.g., board elections and occasional referendums)
thoughts? @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius
@ntnsndr @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius why do we need this? I'm genuinely curious as to your motivation, not necessarily doubting the proposition. Also, wouldn't something like this be a possible later phase of an instance like social.coop? Is the idea behind social.coop to be small and glorious?
@arod @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius could be a future phase of social.coop. But I think it is helpful to have both kinds of coops, available for people with varying interests. Some people want a more participatory space and can tolerate more friction, others want a more polished experience and less input.
@ntnsndr @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius and for the latter camp, what would be the value proposition of this as opposed to mastodon.social or whatever large default instance?
@arod @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius more democracy, less feudalism
@ntnsndr @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius I'm not as optimistic about the proposition that it's possible to "provide more democracy" to people who don't want input. Seems more likely that would end up the same way my local credit union is, which is passively manipulated by a small cohort of local politicians but hey, More Democracy! For those folks, let them eat Post or whatever, in my humble opinion.
@arod @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius I disagree. I think there are different forms of democracy and input, and some participation is better than none.
@arod @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius for instance, I have zero interest in daily governance participation in my credit union, but I am still glad it is not Wells Fargo.
@ntnsndr @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius and I still use my local credit union, too, but am not fantasizing about more of the same!
Anyway, thanks for asking for thought and abiding my first extensive social media back-and-forth since leaving Twitter and Facebook last year :)
@ntnsndr @jalcine @emi @LeoSammallahti @schock @mattcropp @darius I'd posit the recent history of post-Pinochet "democratic reforms" in Chile as a real-world example of the dangers. Fernando Ignacio Leiva gives a great overview in _The Left Hand of Capital_ https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Left-Hand-of-Capital2