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@lindsays @dragonarchitect
Really?

But then again my recommendatio for #Wacom is just my experience as #Sysadmin and someone who equipped #CreativeProfessionals and daily-drives an #X230Tablet, so I'm biased due to 15+ years of experience with Wacom.

  • It's not that I don't think other brands can't deliver good products and even exceed in terms of price/performance ratio.

It's just that I have my plugs and have even setup some fancy stuff like 27" Cintiq Pros on free-floating arms so people can tilty-swively them however they feel ike with their setup...

  • But then again same folks also bought maxed-out "#Cheesegrater" #MacPro|s at release and the #ProDisplayXDR so clearly they just wrote it off as business expense, so there's that.

I always recommend people to try out said devices if possible. Maybe you'll find it to work out fine or be useless...

  • I've seen both happen to people across brands...

@gulovsen As I said before already, the #AppleVisionPro or any #WearableComputer of that kind can't become a #MassMarket success for all the reasons starting from the #price over being an #Apple product aka. hamfisted into uselessness and also lacking not just reasons and #applications to use it outside of the spechal nieche-cases that need #AugmentedReality and #EyeTracking.

  • There, it's clumsy development tools and limitations are an acceptable exchange for being dozens of times cheaper, lighter and less cumbersome to setup at the user level than competing options. Just like the #ProDisplayXDR's price tag was only insulting to the people that never were the target audience to begin with (tho not having a real, stable and hard-fixed #VESA-Mount is an unforgiving sin given that they could've easily made that happen instead if a shitty & overpriced adaptor!)...

Personally, I'd consider building myself a #Optigon + #Somatic combo instead because that shit I can at least use with my existing tools and without misplaced trust into a #GAFAM that bows before the "P.R." China of all regimes...

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@fuchsiii@oxytodon.com I mean, AR for complex stuff makes sense... Like having an engineer fixing a turbofan on an airliner have the maintenance instructions in their FOV and being able to contextually see relevant data (i.e. Hydraulic Pressure a line is supposed to have or the torque at which the bolt has to be affixed they screw in... Similarly, it does make sense for surgeons to have relevant info at hand and like a dynamically overlaid HUD that shows the planned procedure and can overlap additional info (i.e. X-Ray and MRI images)... And for those areas, Microsoft sold their HoloLens quite well as the cost of a fuckup is peanuts compared to a fully decked out portable workstation and hygenically encapsulated setup like that. I just think the #VisionPro will never be a mass-market item, even if that makes me sound like #SteveBallmer reacting to the #iPhone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U
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@pallenberg ich glaub' nur dass die #AppleVisionPro und jegliches #VR/#AR sich nicht gegenüber klassischen Multimonitor-Arbeitsplätzen durchsetzen wird weil's nicht nur schwer sondern auch teuer ist...

Aber für Leute die #GameDev sowie #Architektur & #Design machen ist's das richtige Tool...

Genauso wie das #ProDisplayXDR für eine Zielgruppe endgeil ist und für die die sich ob des Preises beschweren eh nicht das Zielprodukt ist.
(Wobei es IMHO keinen Grund gibt die #VESA-Halterung nicht standardmäßig zu verbauen statt € 129 für neb proprietären Adapter zu verlangen!)

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@stroughtonsmith I sincerely doubt both will become #Mainsteam #MassMarket Products because we can see that neither #NSAbook / #StasiBook selling their shitty #VR at below-cost pricing makes it mainsteam nor that there are good mainsteam applications to warrant a $3,5k headset...

That being said like with the #MacPro and #ProDisplayXDR, the people complaining about the #price ain't the Target Audience because even adding the insultingly expensive VESA Adaptor and Tilty-Swively Stand to every Pro Display XDR makes it still a market-changing screen - abeit at the cavehat of being useless outside of #Apple devices because "Fuck the Consumer!" who want to use a professional display on anything else...

Similarly, the #VisionPro isn't the best VR / AR headset nor best #EyeTracker, but it's features and devkit make it a "no brainer" for developers that need to test products, do visual design and architecture and also do eye tracking-based research...

Again: Nieche Application and there it's disruptive, but it'll take until we get a real #eyePhone for like $99 without any plan at every gas station & convenience store...
youtube.com/watch?v=uASUHbFEhW

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@kulturhack if it were a $500 appliance it could've gotten mainstream, as even cheap VR like #2kliksphilip tested does work fine...
youtube.com/watch?v=-NBMdcUTC2

Obviously the #VisionPro - like #ProDisplayXDR & #MacPro - isn't designed to be a #consumer device but rather lowering the bar of entry when competing products (spec-wise) cost >10x their price.

Thus the Vision Pro from #Apple will rather compete with a $$$$$$ HMD w/ eye-tracker than the #ValveIndex or #VivePro!