@flancian I've been thinking a lot about Xanadu. Like if there is a quote it should be linked data linking back to a book. Copyright is largely what stops this. I kinda wanna create a multimedia experience where all media is not only linked but transcluded

**nandi** @v@federate.social · Dec 26, 2022 *

Dec 26, 2022 *

nandi @v@federate.social

@flancian the content on something like agora is much less interesting to me than its structure

**In #Flancia we'll meet** @flancian · Dec 27, 2022

Dec 27, 2022

In #Flancia we'll meet @flancian

@v @enkiv2 worked/works in Xanadu

IIUC the original proposal for transclusion included provisions for payment forwarding from the beginning; it'd be nice to have the same for copyright observance or non-observance, say copyright negotiation.

**In #Flancia we'll meet** @flancian · Dec 27, 2022

Dec 27, 2022

In #Flancia we'll meet @flancian

@v @enkiv2 once you have widespread browsers like we do nowadays, it's a bit surprising that transclusion cannot be done on the user's terms at all times.

"Oh, you're telling me I cannot transclude your site or resource? But this is my computer. I can literally send those pixels wherever I want."

**nandi** @v@federate.social · Dec 27, 2022

Dec 27, 2022

nandi @v@federate.social

@flancian for me it's not even so much about being able to find the book the quote is from for example. I want the presence of mind and the experience that comes along with seeing everything connected.

**𒀭𒂗𒆠 ENKI ][e** @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe · Dec 27, 2022

Dec 27, 2022

𒀭𒂗𒆠 ENKI ][e @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe

@flancian

Yup. Ted conceived of it as a way to get IP owners on board with it -- to give up the right to fully control derivative works by tempting them with micropayments (since works that inspire derivatives become much more lucrative under this model).

And of course, if you set the price for your bits to $0, while you retain the droit morale to be cited, otherwise it is functionally public domain.