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There are those things that used to be "the fringe people on the internet", and there were a few of them, and you could chuckle, because nobody was going to take them seriously right
Like "we should remove democracy and install a CEO king"
Nobody's ever going to take THOSE people seriously right
oh wait they did
oh shit they're in power now
oh shit oh fuck fucking yikes
Similarly, I remember reading A Confederacy of Dunces and pretentious medievalist studies student Ignacius J. Reilly tells his mother that he opposes a democratically elected republic and would prefer a monarchy.
"Ain't nobody ever wanted no king, Ignacius", his mom says, and I thought, well of course nobody ever wanted a king, this part of the book is just silly, that wouldn't happen
@cwebber
The Dunces
They have Confederated
No
NO
The dunces are out
@cwebber I guess Loki was right; some people crave subjugation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3CZExnn8MI
@cwebber I know this doesn't explain everything, and it's a completely US perspective. But I noticed growing up that we mostly compartmentalize democracy in the US and practice it in very few ways. Mostly only in government. Even our legislative bodies constantly hand new powers over to the executive branches.
(I realize this is a convenient strategy. It allows a legislator to run for or against an executive without taking responsibility themselves.)
@cwebber The rest of our lives are mostly governed by kings of various sorts. CEOs, bosses, and managers. If there's voting, it's mostly relegated to the privilege few sitting in board rooms. And for the most part, we seem to accept this without question. We think it's natural and can't imagine anything else.
Anyway, I always felt our democracy was in danger considering how little we practice it, how seldom we advocate for more of it, and how little we seem to value it here. :(
@cstanhope That's not even getting into the deeply authoritarian nature of most religion, it's all paternalism. It's literally why secularism is important to democracy. And why the more authoritarian Christian sects don't let women be ministers/clergy. Many men, of course, also get abused in hierarchical paternalistic structures because they exist to facilitate abuse of everyone except those at the top of the pyramid. Religion is often an MLM except what they're selling you is bullshit, that if you suffer enough now you will get a big payoff once you don't exist anymore.
@cwebber yeah but at lease he wasn't no communiss'!
— dude at the Night of Joy, probably
@cwebber he also says that the military of all nations should be replaced by gay men so they dance and party instead of killing each other. The man had some ideas, let's not discard everything 