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After all, what's Aral's complaint? That Mozilla implemented something good?
@h his complaint is that Mozilla was too slow to implement it, and haven't done enough - especially considering the other stuff they have going on with their "experiments".
@zatnosk Extolling Apple at the same time, the largest wage slavery-based tax-dodging US corporation in the world that was identified in Snowden's NSA revelations as one of the massive collaborationists with the surveillance state?
That doesn't stand the most basic scrutiny, not serious.
He doesn't need to "bend reality" to express dissatisfaction at
Mozilla's slowness.
Two wrongs don't make it right.
@h Aral isn't fighting wage slavery or government collaboration in the US - he can do very little about those things, being european and all.
His fight is against online tracking and surveillance, which makes Google (and others) the enemy. According to him, Apple isn't upholding surveillance capitalism, and can survive without it, so their contributions against online tracking is welcomed.
@h because Mozilla isn't doing anything others haven't already (in mainline firefox), while simultaneously doing shady things such as building in apps that track as part of their "experiments".
Safari and iOS on the other hand are pretty good in defaulting to no-tracking (partly because Apple doesn't want information out of their ecosystem).
And while Mozilla is, according to Aral, funded by search giants, Apple is funded by hardware sales.
@h all that said, I agree that Aral might have rose-tinted glasses when looking at Apple, but that doesn't make his critique of Mozilla invalid.
@zatnosk When someone has to "bend reality" to make his point stronger with obvious fallacies and measuring with different rulers that makes for an unserious argument.
Apple are a NSA partner. Mozilla aren't. They have implemented something good. Late, but they did it. They took a lot of money from Google between 2011 and 2014. Fine.
Again: Apple is a NSA partner. Mozilla implemented anti-tracking.
Tell me something that makes logical sense, not a rehash of Aral's obvious fallacies.
@h Aral is picking his fights. Sure, Apple is a NSA partner, but so is Google. And Aral knows he can't do shit about NSA or companies partnering with them.
He's focusing on combating the _collection_ of information, and not the _sharing of already collected information_.
He's putting his energy where he believes it can make the biggest impact.
What do you want him to do? Become a F/LOSS purist like Stallman and likely get written off my many of the people he try to convince?
@h have you considered that you aren't the only person Aral is preaching to? Or that you might not be in the audience he wants to reach at all?
Not everyone reacts with "oh, so he's not swearing off Apple, he must be untrustworthy in everything he says".
@h also, what does it say about Mozilla that an NSA partner is better at protecting privacy than they are?
@h we might disagree on what is defensible. I believe Aral's strategies for combating surveillance is commendable, and I like having him as an ally.
I don't have his biases, but I think those he have are acceptable, because they aren't hindering the cause too much.
