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Hamish CampbellThese aren’t pointless projects #mainstreaming #liberalism has lost its way. For the past 20 years, many self-described liberals have spewed out bilge water disguised as "common sense." But when pressure mounts, they reveal themselves as dogmatic and intolerant, almost as if they aren't truly liberal at all. How did we end up in this mess? The #deathcult, #stupidindividualism, and the rise of #dotcons shaped the dominant version of "common sense," warping it away from collective care and into something narrow and […] <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/these-arent-pointless-projects/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/these-arent-pointless-projects/</a>

witchescauldronThe crew gathered around <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> worked remarkably well for a while, organising good gathering, conferences and very useful outreach of <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> to the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EU</a> that seeded much of the current <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/mainstreaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mainstreaming</a>. The Evolution of SocialHub <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/the-evolution-of-socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/the-evolution-of-socialhub/</a>

Hamish CampbellThe normal problem, the trajectory of <a class="hashtag" href="https://bsky.app/search?q=%23SocialHub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a>, and the broader <a class="hashtag" href="https://bsky.app/search?q=%23openweb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> community, simply went off course due to factors that we need to talk about:Thoughts on the mess we made with the wider <a class="hashtag" href="https://bsky.app/search?q=%23openweb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> reboot <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-...</a> <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thoughts on the mess we made o...</a>

witchescauldronThe normal problem, the trajectory of <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a>, and the broader <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> community, simply went off course due to factors that we need to talk about:Thoughts on the mess we made with the wider <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> reboot <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/</a>

small circle 🕊 in calmness<a href="https://mastodon.social/@naught101" class="u-url mention">@naught101</a> thank you!Yes, it was quite a bit of work collecting these. Afraid I can no longer do maintenance atm, and seek co-maintainers on the 3 fedi-related lists at <a href="https://delightful.club" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://delightful.club</a>There's a huge backlog pile to add, which I collected and posted to <a href="https://social.coop/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#SocialHub</a> at: <a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/beyond-luring-deceptive-logos-there-is-a-peopleverse/4780/9?u=aschrijver" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/beyond-luring-deceptive-logos-there-is-a-peopleverse/4780/9?u=aschrijver</a>The delightful project sits under the umbrella of the social coding movement (where "feeling" yourself aligned is your membership card.. the movement is 'emerged', and not led as a community).

Hamish Campbell“the crew gathered around <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> worked remarkably well for a while, organising good gathering, conferences and very useful outreach of <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ActivityPub" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activitypub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> to the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/EU" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/eu/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#EU</a> that seeded much of the current <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/mainstreaming" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/mainstreaming/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mainstreaming</a>. But yes, it was always small and under utilised due to the strong forces of <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/stupidindividalisam" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/stupidindividalisam/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#stupidindividalisam</a> that we need to balance. Ideas?“From grassroots origins, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> emerged as a community-driven platform, rooted in the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> principles, focusing on the interplay of technology and “native” social paths. Its initial success lay in its collaborative ethos, free from mainstream interference. This promising start has since failed, due to lack of core consensuses and the active <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/blocking/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/blocking/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#blocking</a> of any process to mediate this mess making.Current challenges are from the influx of non-native perspectives, The twitter migrants and rapid <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> expansion has diluted what was left of the original focus. Then in reaction to this the has been a retreat to tech paths over the social paths. This shift toward technical priorities has marginalized the social aspects that initially defined the community, this is a mirroring broader <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/geekproblem/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/geekproblem/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#geekproblem</a> struggles that are core to the original failing.What actually works is always grassroots messiness and constructive processes, that is messy in a good way, authentic, grassroots movements are inherently untidy, this ordered/chaos is where real social value is born. Attempts to overly structure or mainstream these paths risks losing their soul. Lifestyleism, and fragmented tribalism, distract from meaningful change. These behaviours breed from <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/stupidindividualism/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/stupidindividualism/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#stupidindividualism</a>, a core product of the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/deathcult/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/deathcult/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deathcult</a> culture that undermines collective action. There is a role for activism, based on learning from history to avoid repeating mistakes. This can lead to wider social engagement, and an embrace of messiness to counteract the stifling tendencies of rigid mainstreaming and isolated tech focus.The metaphor of “shovels” is useful to turn the current pile of social and technical “shit” into compost is apt. Grassroots communities nurture a healthier ecosystem that balances tech and social. The imbalance favouring tech over social must be addressed. Reinvigorating the core social crew with a focus on community-oriented discussions and actions can restore equilibrium.For this, it can be useful to challenge neoliberal narratives, use the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a>/#closedweb framework to critique and dismantle neoliberal “common sense”. Highlight how these ideologies breed the individualistic and exploitative tendencies that undermine collective progress. The need for vigilance against co-option and the importance of nurturing the messy authenticity of grassroots movements. The path forward requires not just shovelling but planting seeds of collaboration, transparency, and collective action. By embracing the chaos and keeping the focus on social value, the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> can flourish as a genuine alternative to the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/closedweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/closedweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#closedweb</a>.<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KISS</a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/the-evolution-of-socialhub/" class="" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/the-evolution-of-socialhub/</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activitypub/" target="_blank">#activitypub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/blocking/" target="_blank">#blocking</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/closedweb/" target="_blank">#closedweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/deathcult/" target="_blank">#deathcult</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/eu/" target="_blank">#EU</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/geekproblem/" target="_blank">#geekproblem</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" target="_blank">#KISS</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/mainstreaming/" target="_blank">#mainstreaming</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank">#openweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/stupidindividalisam/" target="_blank">#stupidindividalisam</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/stupidindividualism/" target="_blank">#stupidindividualism</a>

Strypey<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ShowerThoughts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ShowerThoughts</a>: Could we use Murmurations to replace NodeInfo in fediverse servers, for sharing server stats and public details? Or make NodeInfo compatible with Murmurations aggregators?Some preliminary musings on potential interop between the verse and Murmurations on SocialHub;<a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/search?q=murmurations" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/search?q=murmurations</a>Some of which probably answer that question, and I'll have a dig through.<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/AskFedi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AskFedi</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/NodeInfo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NodeInfo</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Murmurations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Murmurations</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a>

StrypeyThe <a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/fediversity/10" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fediversity</a> category at SocialHub can now be followed from the fediverse.Thanks to the Discourse developers who added support for forum federation over ActivityPub, posts on Discourse forums like SocialHub can now be followed from the fediverse. Each category on the forum can be turned into a group actor, that works like a Guppe group, a Lemmy community, or a K/Mbin magazine.<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Fediversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediversity</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Discourse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Discourse</a>

witchescauldronThoughts on the mess we made on <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/socialhub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> and the wider <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> reboot <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/thoughts-on-the-mess-we-made-on-socialhub-and-the-wider-openweb-reboot/</a> addressing these issues—people, governance, values, and sustainability—the community can begin to rebuild, with a “native” approach, it’s possible to compost the mess into fertile soil for future growth.

OblomovFor some reason I can't seem to get the validation email from <a href="https://sociale.network/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a>, so I can't finalize my registration.

witchescauldronLinking the Social Web Foundation (<a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/SWF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SWF</a>) to the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a>, it's the process that is more important than the outcome. It's crucial to develop grassroots consensus processes that align with open, transparent governance. This can help manage the mess and delight of the libertarian, independent spirits often seen in open-source communities. Establishing a simple, ruff consensus allows people to mediate the mess-making and guide projects more efficiently. It encourages collective decision-making while respecting diverse views within the community.Fostering this balance is essential for building a collaborative, effective path.<a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/proposal-linking-to-swf/4673" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/proposal-linking-to-swf/4673</a>

StrypeyHi team <a href="https://climatejustice.social/@JoinFediverseWiki" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JoinFediverseWiki</a>, I'm messaging you to invite you to help me get some conversations going at the <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/Fediversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediversity</a> category on SocialHub;<a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/fediversity/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/fediversity/</a>The category was set up as discussion space for people working on pan-fediverse reference websites; guides and manuals, instance mapping, software research, etc. With the goal of allowing us to coordinate our efforts, support each other's work, avoid unnecessary duplication, etc.<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@PaulaToThePeople</a> <a href="https://hub.hubzilla.de/channel/jupiter_rowland" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@jupiter_rowland</a>

Hamish CampbellWhat we call <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a>’s in the hashtag story. The Non-Profit Industrial Complex (NPIC) entanglement of non-profits, big businesses, governments, and social activism can, leads to mess we need to compost. While nonprofits can fund crucial tech and activist work, their reliance on corporate-linked foundations dilutes this, to keep receiving money, the is STRONG presser to softening critiques to align with business interests, ultimately limiting transformative change. This power dynamic mirrors critiques of the Prison-Industrial and Military-Industrial Complexes, highlighting how funding sources shape the scope and direction of activism and the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> tech we build.In the grassroots <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DIY</a> world, it’s critical to remain aware, and work to mediate these influences, ensuring that the needed systemic challenges are not compromised by external funding interests.Let’s focus here on planting seeds of real change, beyond the comfortable narratives of the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/npic/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/npic/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NPIC</a> that the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SWF</a> has to compromise with, this is what we are doing on <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/the-non-profit-industrial-complex-npic-a-double-edged-sword-in-foss-and-activism/" class="" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/the-non-profit-industrial-complex-npic-a-double-edged-sword-in-foss-and-activism/</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank">#diy</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank">#NGO</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/npic/" target="_blank">#NPIC</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" target="_blank">#SWF</a>

witchescauldronOn the Fediverse the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/NGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a> path are basically imperialism <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism</a> , there is a long history of this, and the important thing to realise is that these people have no idea they are doing this. As a rule of thump, you can tell if it's on balance a mess or sense if it doesn't link to <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/socialhub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> it's likely mess, agen the people involved have no clue why this is the problem it is.Let's hope what they make is not only more <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/techshit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#techshit</a> to compost, the history of this imperialism for the last few hundred years is not good.

Hamish CampbellThis thinking came out of this <a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/poll-should-socialhub-be-scoped-to-as-ap-or-social-web/4584/31?u=hamishcampbell" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">thread</a> on the subject of the relationship between <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/wc3/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/wc3/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WC3</a> and the grassroots <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> over the “governance” of <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activitypub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activitypub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> and the wider <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>. A bridge rather than ownership would look like a collaborative, flexible, and trust-based system, rather than one based on control and dominance. In the context of the Fediverse and openweb spaces, this would mean moving away from territorial battles between the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a> mainstreaming approach and the grassroots <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> communities, toward a recognition that both paths have value, and that these different paths can coexist and complement each other.The “commons” path is fundamentally about shared responsibility and decentralized governance. It’s the idea that instead of fighting for ownership and control—whether that’s who gets to steer the Fediverse or dominate the standards—we build systems that mediate the different flows, allowing both the formal and the grassroots approaches to contribute and grow together.This could manifest in practical ways like: <ul><li>Shared Infrastructure: The infrastructure becomes a part of the commons—no one owns it, but everyone can use and contribute to it. </li><li>Collaboration Over Competition: Instead of viewing the relationship between the more formal W3C-style governance and grassroots communities like SocialHub as adversarial, we acknowledge that they bring different strengths. The W3C formalism provides structure, while SocialHub’s grassroots, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DIY</a> ethos brings innovation. Each benefits the other, and the bridge is recognizing this value without the need to “own” it. </li><li>Mediation and Decision-Making Processes: We need native tools for transparent governance. A commons model for governance like the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ogb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ogb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OGB</a> which was developed on socialhub. Think of it as a flexible process where everyone has a voice, but no one dominates. </li><li>Value in Diversity: The goal is not to impose a singular vision, but to recognize that the messy, bottom-up humanistic creativity from the grassroots and the more polished, structured contributions from <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngos/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngos/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGOs</a> both have value. The bridge would allow ideas to cross and enrich each other without needlessly flattening their differences.</li></ul>The key to this is not ownership but bridging the different paths. If we see ourselves as gardeners of the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> commons, rather than owners of a “slice” of it, the mindset shifts from control to care, recognizing the power in collaboration rather than domination.By building these bridges, rather than the normal “common sense” fighting over territory, we create an open network where people and communities can flourish. This bridging needs care, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KISS</a>, trust-based paths, that recognize the shared value and avoid pushing <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/mainstreaming/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/mainstreaming/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mainstreaming</a> “common sense” driven artificial divides. It’s about cooperation and connection. <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KISS</a> (Keep It Simple, Stupid).<a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/we-need-to-build-more-bridges/" class="" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/we-need-to-build-more-bridges/</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activitypub/" target="_blank">#activitypub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank">#diy</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/kiss/" target="_blank">#KISS</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/mainstreaming/" target="_blank">#mainstreaming</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank">#NGO</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngos/" target="_blank">#NGOs</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ogb/" target="_blank">#OGB</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank">#openweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/wc3/" target="_blank">#WC3</a>

witchescauldronSpaces like <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/SocialHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> do matter. They try to embody the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/4opens" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#4opens</a>, but for that to be sustainable, there must be a focus on not letting the same patterns of decay and circular discussions take hold. This path needs trust and a shared vision, something that doesn’t come naturally to libertarian-minded cats but is essential for any lasting movement.

Jon (now at neuromatch.social)Yeah I noticed that too. In my other reply to <a href="https://mastodon.social/@willoremus" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@willoremus</a> I mentioned that while Eugen et al are very welcoming to <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threads</a>, many others aren't, so Meta's wise to tread carefully ... but it would be great to see more in-depth exploration of that. And while <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/FediPact" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FediPact</a> has taken the lead, the opposition to Meta is a lot broader -- in fact there's a pretty intense thread on the <a href="https://indieweb.social/tags/socialhub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> forums now with perspectives from several fediverse developers. <a href="https://mastodon.circle.lt/@dmitry" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@dmitry</a>

Hamish CampbellWe are seeing a flood of <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> making their way into spaces built on <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/4opens/" target="_blank">#4opens</a> principles. Their arrival forces us to consider the future we want, and if we can mediate this encroachment for a better path. Some perspectives on this: <ul><li>Bridging the Gap: Some advocate that we can mediate the space between the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> and the incoming corporate influence. This camp believes in building bridges that allow for coexistence and negotiation between the two worlds.</li><li>Inevitable Takeover: Others feel that the corporate takeover of these spaces is inevitable. They believe we are powerless to stop it, and perhaps the best we can do is find ways to adapt.</li><li>Bunkering Down: Then there are those who think we should focus entirely on the native path, resisting and weathering the storm. By sticking to our principles and building resilient spaces, we can outlast the wave of corporate interest. </li><li>Survivalists: Surprisingly, a large number of people fall into the camp of pragmatism—those who need grants and funding to survive. For them, the path we take is secondary to personal survival, though this motivation is often hidden, leading to unhelpful or diluted activism.</li><li>Tech Activism: And finally, there’s a group dedicated to leveraging the native <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> path to challenge the status quo. They seek to compost the current mess, using activism to bring about the meaningful change we need. </li><li>Please add more perspectives in the comments…</li></ul>The <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialwebfoundation/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialwebfoundation/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialWebFoundation</a> (SWF) seems to fit into the first category—attempting to mediate between these worlds. Meanwhile, spaces like <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SocialHub</a> are a mix of the rest, where different perspectives clash and combine.It’s clear that this situation is messy, and we’re unlikely to reach a consensus, diversity of thought is a native path. But with this clearly in mind, action is still needed. The question remains: how do we build a consensus that is necessary to take effective action on the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DIY</a>, openweb path? If we fail to do this, as we are now, it’s the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SWF</a> and the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> who will walk the paths we build and talk about, leaving us as increasingly bystanders in our own spaces.Let’s talk about how we have power in this narrative to keep the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> native path at the centre of these shifts and turns, and this is a real partnership, not a nasty walk over.<a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/oligarchy-monarchy-and-the-future-of-governance-of-the-openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/oligarchy-monarchy-and-the-future-of-governance-of-the-openweb/</a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/the-openweb-a-partnership-not-a-nasty-walk-over/" class="" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/the-openweb-a-partnership-not-a-nasty-walk-over/</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/4opens/" target="_blank">#4opens</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/diy/" target="_blank">#diy</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank">#openweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialwebfoundation/" target="_blank">#SocialWebFoundation</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/swf/" target="_blank">#SWF</a>

Hamish CampbellThe <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> and <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> communities stand in sharp contrast to Big Tech <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> platforms through their values, which are rooted in openness, decentralization, and community control. While Big Tech thrives on centralization, data extraction, and profit-driven control. However, the grassroots path is always under threat. On the <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fediverse</a>, stagnation at <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> and a rise in <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a> influence, leaves the original ethos of decentralized and open governance stifled by the normal paths of fear and control. This shifting imbalance reflects tension within the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a>, where native grassroots paths are often at odds with institutionalized power structures.<a href="https://socialwebfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://socialwebfoundation.org/</a>The challenge now is how to reclaim and sustain these values while avoiding the dilution that the spread of the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a> mess brings. What strategies do you think could re-energize these communities while maintaining their grassroots authenticity? How to get dancing elephants and paper planes into a “foundation” model<ul><li>Do something different – dancing elephants and paper planes.</li><li>Do something normal – control freekery and power politics games.</li><li>Do nothing – maybe it all just carries on or more likely decay and irrelevances.</li></ul><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activertypub/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activertypub/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Activertypub</a> is the first option, and this is why we love it and are having this conversation.Some links on this <a href="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/what-would-a-fediverse-governance-body-look-like/1497/7" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/what-would-a-fediverse-governance-body-look-like/1497/7</a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/corporate-presence-in-the-fediverse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/corporate-presence-in-the-fediverse/</a>The mainstream internet, <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dotcons</a>, seduces us with dopamine hits, saps our creativity, and turns us into sad, noisy, powerless complainers. It steals our time with endless distractions, buries the pathways that lead to real change, and, in the end, empties our wallets.All I can say is stop complaining. Just, please step away to help build alternatives like the <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/omn/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/omn/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMN</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/4opens/" target="_blank">#4opens</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/techshit/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/techshit/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#techshit</a><a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/native-grassroots-paths-are-at-odds-with-institutionalized-power/" class="" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/native-grassroots-paths-are-at-odds-with-institutionalized-power/</a><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/4opens/" target="_blank">#4opens</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/activertypub/" target="_blank">#activertypub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/dotcons/" target="_blank">#dotcons</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/fediverse/" target="_blank">#fediverse</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/foss/" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/ngo/" target="_blank">#NGO</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/omn/" target="_blank">#OMN</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/openweb/" target="_blank">#openweb</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/socialhub/" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" class="hashtag u-tag u-category" href="https://hamishcampbell.com/tag/techshit/" target="_blank">#techshit</a>

hamish campbellThe values of the Fediverse & FOSS communities (vs. Big Tech platforms). The is a lot on this subject here <a href="https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=Fediverse" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=Fediverse</a> the culture is deeply embedded in history, so good NOT to talk only about the surface.<a href="https://socialwebfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://socialwebfoundation.org/</a>The <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/NGO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NGO</a> mess is spreading, lets cross fingers this is not ONLY this mess. Our grassroots path is failing with the stagnation on <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/socialhub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialhub</a> and the active <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/blocking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#blocking</a> of grassroots governance, fear and "control" are both not native paths for the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/openweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openweb</a>

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