Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a></span><br><br>You see, when <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSI</a> people talk about "license proliferation" they means "<a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> proliferation" that is, in fact, the proliferation of licenses that <i>protect</i> the work from appropriation.<br><br>In fact, OSI approved over 100 mostly equivalent permissive licenses, among which some masterpiece like the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=fairlicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FairLicense</a> <a href="https://opensource.org/license/fair" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/license/fair</a> just because they were backed by the right corporation.<br><br>They cry about license proliferation only when a <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> license conflict with the interests of their largest sponsors.<br><br>Indeed the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=mongodb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MongoDB</a> <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=sspl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SSPL</a> was not approved while <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=amazon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Amazon</a> was one of the biggest OSI donor, while <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CAL</a> (that was even more "dangerous" as a copyleft according to the same arguments that got SSPL refused) was approved, because no <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=bigtech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BigTech</a> ever gave a shit about blockchain stuff (for obvious reasons).<br><br>The OSI behaviour over the years shows that they cry about license proliferation only to justify their refusals. So if they don't care, you shouldn't either.<br><br>Sure, conflicts among licenses exists (for example, you cannot mix code under the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> and code under <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gpl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GPL</a>), but right now we need first and foremost to widen the overton windows that OSI gatekeepers try desperately to keep closed.<br><br>We have urgent need of new licenses that can protect the commons that we create without restricting their spread and evolution.<br><br>Code is Speech.<br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a></span><br>
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Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a></span><br><br>The only people who should really fear "license proliferation" are the gatekeepers such as <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSI</a>.<br><br>We strongly need more effective licenses, that protect works from corporate greed while enabling people to study, share, modify and use the covered works.<br><br>The <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> is a first attempt that has been successfully used in production by hacktivists in a couple of projects<br><br>- <a href="https://github.com/MonitoraPA/monitorapa/blob/main/LICENSE.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/MonitoraPA/monitorapa/blob/main/LICENSE.txt</a><br>- <a href="https://github.com/MonitoraPA/Minos/blob/main/licenses/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/MonitoraPA/Minos/blob/main/licenses/HACK.txt</a><br><br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a></span><br>
Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a></span><br><br>The version discussed in Debian legal was completely rewritten from scratch.<br><br>They wouldn't accept any of the software that adopt it anyway (as some dev pointed out, it's a political decision more than a legal one), but all their feedbacks were considered in the new version.<br><br>Give it a read.<br>I think you might like it.<br><br>It gives users copyrights and patents, not just permissions, as long as they accept it as both a contract and a license.<br><br>Also it's totally different from copyleft-next, that is basically a corporate tool and don't even try to protect the covered works from corporate building <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=llm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLM</a>.<br><br>The <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> is a political tool for communities that want to grow and protect their commons.<br><br>Through the concept of "dependent work", it applies to any model trained over the covered work, just like to any infrastructure built on top of to run it.<br><br>Its major "issue" from the perspective of its critics (all neolib lawyers), is that it's too "dangerous" for corporations, as it's far more "viral" than any <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gnu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNU</a> license.<br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a></span><br>
Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a></span><br><br>Unfortunately, even <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=agplv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AGPLv3</a> is full of loopholes. Biggest one is being a different license than <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gplv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GPLv3</a>.<br><br>That's basicaly why I use the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> for my code: <a href="https://code.tesio.it/p/self-hosting/doh.cgi/file?name=LICENSE.txt&ci=tip" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://code.tesio.it/p/self-hosting/doh.cgi/file?name=LICENSE.txt&ci=tip</a><br><br>It's both a <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> license and a shrink-wrap contract designed to close such loopholes.<br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a></span><br>
Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://fe.disroot.org/users/ramin_hal9001" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org</a></span><br><br>I think <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=rms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RMS</a> was (is?) unable to really abstract away from his roots as an American grow up during <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=coldwar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ColdWar</a>.<br><br>If he was, he would have been more explicit in looking for a syntesis between <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freedom</a> and <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#communion</a> as foundational model for <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a>.<br><br>I think I got a better ethical model with the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a>: <a href="https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</a><br><br>There the two values that dominated 20th century history (and rhetorics) are pillars built on top of a third one, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hacker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hacker</a>'s <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=curiosity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#curiosity</a> that provides a dynamic balance among the two (and a third one, candor, intended as intellectual honesty, that is honestly sharing your perspective and knowledge).<br><br>So while a think that a second fork from free software is actually needed (the first being <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a>, that as <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSAID</a> made cristal clear, was solely a corporate tactic to exploit <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hackers</a>' labour while marginalizing them), I don't think it can be solely based on either freedom (like liberalism) or communion (like communism and socialism) but it need a new set of values to build upon.<br><br>Unfortunately, largely due to influence of the US rhetorics since the Marshal Plan, most hackers lack political awareness.<br><br>Which is a common issue among most oppressed people these days, but it's something even more dangerous when their skills are used to build weapons (including surveillance and manipulation tools) that furter help oppressors to oppress them and everybody else.<br><br>Yet I'm afraid the international socialist movement is completely missing all of these cultural, political and cybernetic dynamics and it's unlikely to evolve beyond 1900, neither in culture nor in methods or tech.<br><br>In Italy, for example, all largest unions, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cgil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CGIL</a>, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cisl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CISL</a> and <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=uil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UIL</a>, are completely under US BigTech surveillance.<br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://friend.camp/users/garbados" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@garbados@friend.camp</a></span><br>
Giacomo Tesio<span class="h-card"><a href="https://mamot.fr/users/nemobis" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@nemobis@mamot.fr</a></span><br><br>Incidentally, that was exactly the first choice I did when I created the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=monitorapa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MonitoraPA</a> observatory.<br><br>And I successfully used the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> to that aim.<br><br>Yet, you hated it.<br><br>Maybe you didn't understood the kind of people the observatory was for?<br>(despite we were quite explicit about it)<br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mamot.fr/users/pintoch" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@pintoch@mamot.fr</a></span><br>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.uno/@paoloredaelli" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>paoloredaelli</span></a></span></p><p>Non discutevo la volontà o la liceità, solo la possibiltà: usare fossil in self-hosting evita che i tuoi sorgenti vengano scaricati a strascico da GitHub.</p><p>Quanto a RMS, non uso più le GPL da un po': ho scritto la <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> proprio per superarne i limiti (anche culturali ed ideologici).</p><p><a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@rms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rms</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.uno/@prealpinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>prealpinux</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://feddit.it/c/informatica" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>informatica</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/@amin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>amin</span></a></span></p><p>Very nice work!</p><p>I see the engine is a single <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>python</span></a> script that connects to a <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/PostgreSQL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PostgreSQL</span></a> db.</p><p>Both are cool technologies but require quite a bit of technical expertise to be self-hosted.</p><p>Over the years I've seen that projects based on less cool technologies (php, cgi-bin, sqlite...) enable both <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/selfhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhosting</span></a> and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/SAFEhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SAFEhosting</span></a>, that is using cheap, local, non <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/BigTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BigTech</span></a> hosting providers.</p><p>It's something I realized reading free software based on the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/permacomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>permacomputing</span></a> values.</p><p>Not really a suggestion or a feature request (maybe a note to myself, for a fork when I'll have more free time), but something I think you might consider.</p><p>Another one: it would be cool to enable a sort of federation among the instances, either by simply proxying the trusted instances (and excluding the duplicated urls) on user's search, or by enabling trusted <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a> users to add websites to be crawled.</p><p>"Trust" here is a key concept: federation should be optional and disabled by default.</p><p>Anyway: good luck and good work!</p><p>And thanks for using a network <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a>! <br>(I prefer the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> over <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/AGPLv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AGPLv3</span></a> in the age of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GitHubCopilot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GitHubCopilot</span></a>/CopyALot, but at least AGPL protects the work you donated to the world from direct privatization...)</p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@selea" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>selea</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@matthewhowell" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>matthewhowell</span></a></span></p><p>Not sure if it's what you are looking for, but the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> is a copyleft designed to also apply to any "AI model" (and any of its output) that was "trained" over a covered work: <a href="https://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mstdn.ca/@david_megginson" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>david_megginson</span></a></span></p><p>"Worse" for who?</p><p>I'm very happy too if someone find a way to get rich through the code I donated to humanity.</p><p>But if to get rich he write closed (or patent-protected or..) source software that prevent me or anybody else to study and modify such code, I'm not happy anymore.</p><p>That's why I use the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a>, despite the stigma on <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a> license proliferation: <a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>I don't give a shit if somebody cry about it not being compatible with GPL, it being hurting the FOSS and so on: you can make money for my work, but any software, AI model or whatever you build on top of it, must be shared in the same way.</p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@paul_ipv6" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>paul_ipv6</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@tinker" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tinker</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@irenes" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>irenes</span></a></span></p><p>I think <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@rms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rms</span></a></span> did a huge error basing what was a hacker¹ movement on the value of freedom alone. </p><p><a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Freedom</span></a> (like <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Communion</span></a>) is a totalizant value, a value that can blind people from other important values, so much that it's the foundational value of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Capitalism</span></a> (much like what <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Communion</span></a> was for <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Comunism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Comunism</span></a>).</p><p>As we can all see that <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/FreeSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreeSoftware</span></a> lost its political goals, being used much more to reduce human freedom than to increase it (<a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a> and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Facebook</span></a> would not exists without exploiting huge amount of developers' work donated as Free Software, much like <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GitHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GitHub</span></a> <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Copilot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Copilot</span></a> / <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/CopyALot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CopyALot</span></a>), we should really move to something different.</p><p>Years ago I wrote the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> ² to this aim, a (network) <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a> license (and a shrink-wrap contract) that has been used successfully in a couple of projects.</p><p>It doesn't forbid commercial use of the covered works and even share the copyright with the users that comply with the license itself, BUT contractually impose a complete reciprocity, as any work that benefit in any way from the covered work must be distributed in the same way.</p><p>IOW, if you use my work under the Hacking License, I can use and distribute your work under the same terms. Even if it's a LLM, or a software including its output.</p><p>I'm not sure the Hacking License is the best tool to get back freedom, communion and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Curiosity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Curiosity</span></a>, but at least it's a step in the right direction.</p><p>¹ <a href="http://www.tesio.it/2020/09/03/not_all_hackers_are_americans.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">tesio.it/2020/09/03/not_all_ha</span><span class="invisible">ckers_are_americans.html</span></a><br>² <a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.me.uk/@krans" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>krans</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@glyph" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>glyph</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.coop/@eb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>eb</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.insicurezzadigitale.com/@fucking_good_dpo" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fucking_good_dpo</span></a></span> </p><p>tranquillo Christian: solo quello che scrivo io sulla chat è sotto <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> 😉</p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@nemobis" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>nemobis</span></a></span> 🤣 </p><p>I don't know... I'm not sure.</p><p>As you know, I'd be very happy to find a way to keep ALL public domain derivative work... within the commons heritage of humanity.</p><p>I even wrote the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> to achieve this sort of legal effect (and I know you do not like it).</p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://m.g3l.org/@mmu_man" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mmu_man</span></a></span></p><p>Except one that hides to the users the source they are copying, helping them to violate any open-source license that requires proper attribution and, what's worse, any <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a> imposing reciprocity <a href="https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/E5R5lsfXoAQDRkE.mp4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">video.twimg.com/tweet_video/E5</span><span class="invisible">R5lsfXoAQDRkE.mp4</span></a></p><p>That's why I wrote the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> <a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> so that when we will be able to prove that <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Copilot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Copilot</span></a> distributed any work under such license, we will have to assume that <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Microsoft</span></a> accepted the license, that the "models" of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/CopyALot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CopyALot</span></a> are used under its terms and thus all the software that adopted its "suggestions" can be used under its terms too.</p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://linuxrocks.online/@BrodieOnLinux" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>BrodieOnLinux</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@t0k" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>t0k</span></a></span> </p><p>The Purpose of the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> is to create a cultural and technological corpus that will grow and evolve completely and exclusively as a common heritage of humanity.</p><p>It's designed to cover and extend to any intellectual artifact and to go beyond the anachronistic distinction between contents, data and code.</p><p>Code is data and data is code.</p><p>However even ICs are intellectual artifacts that people should be able to donate to humanity without fear of any corporation exploiting them without giving back anything to the community.</p><p>That's why I included mask-rights after studying CERN OHL (and all the others listed here: <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Open_Hardware_Licenses" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Open_Ha</span><span class="invisible">rdware_Licenses</span></a> )</p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.neilzone.co.uk/@neil" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>neil</span></a></span></p><p>For sure, as long as they are really constructive.</p><p>I invited all of the lawyers that joined that conversation to read the license, explain any issue they see (with reference to where it occurs in the license's text and the law that underline the issue) and suggest improvements that make the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> more viral and more effective in reaching its purpose.</p><p>But obviously the invitation is open to everybody!</p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ekaitz_zarraga" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ekaitz_zarraga</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>aral</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://pleroma.pixificial.xyz/users/Pixificial" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Pixificial</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://octodon.social/@craigmaloney" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>craigmaloney</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.network.europa.eu/@Curia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Curia</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@noybeu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>noybeu</span></a></span></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>aral</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ekaitz_zarraga" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ekaitz_zarraga</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://pleroma.pixificial.xyz/users/Pixificial" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Pixificial</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://octodon.social/@craigmaloney" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>craigmaloney</span></a></span></p><p>Little follow up about the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a>.</p><p>It has been adoped by <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/MonitoraPA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MonitoraPA</span></a>, an automatic and distributed observatory written in <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Python" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Python</span></a> with the explicit goal to be easy to hack and run for any teenager who just learnt the language from an online tutorial.</p><p>On our first run we detected 7833 public administrations' websites using <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GoogleAnalytics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GoogleAnalytics</span></a>.</p><p>We formally requested all of their DPO and Data Controller to remove it as its usage is in violation of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> as established by the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Schrems2" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Schrems2</span></a> sentence of <span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.network.europa.eu/@Curia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Curia</span></a></span> (thanks to <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@noybeu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>noybeu</span></a></span>).</p><p>Two weeks later, almost 4000 italian public administrations (several hundreds of schools!) that were sending to <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a> detailed data about every page visit, removed Google Analytics.</p><p>More details about the project are available (in Italian) at <a href="https://monitora-pa.it" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">monitora-pa.it</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>Next week we will officially run our observatory again, we will notify again PA that still have Google Analytics in violation of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a>, but we will also escalate to the various Authorities that Italian and European Law provide.</p><p>And obviously, Google Analytics is just a starting point!</p><p>We are refactoring our code to make it trivial to add more conformity checks even beyond the web and to run it over different data sources so that people can easily run our observatory over any set of websites, from political parties to football clubs.</p><p>And in the July's run, we hope to detect and request removal for at least <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GoogleFont" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GoogleFont</span></a> connections and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Facebook</span></a> Tracking Pixels too.</p><p>Obviously we got several powerful enemies. <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a> for first, but also several Italian lawyers and administrators that did not protected citizens personal data.</p><p>And among them, quite expected, compromised organizations like <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/OSI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OSI</span></a> that are spreading <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/FUD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FUD</span></a> about our license of choice without even reading it or trying to help us to improve it.</p><p><a href="https://github.com/hermescenter/monitorapa/issues/39#issuecomment-1140274175" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">github.com/hermescenter/monito</span><span class="invisible">rapa/issues/39#issuecomment-1140274175</span></a></p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@t0k" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>t0k</span></a></span></p><p>Basically <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/FUD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FUD</span></a>.</p><p>As you said, <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a> does whatever it can to build ecosystems that depends on it, technically and culturally.</p><p>They did so in 2010 with <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GoogleChrome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GoogleChrome</span></a> through <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a>. It did so with <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a>. And <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/QUIC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>QUIC</span></a>. And <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HTTP3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HTTP3</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://qoto.org/tags/AGPLv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AGPLv3</span></a> has several limits (that I tried to address with the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a>) but the strongest the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a> the better.</p><p>Sticking with <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/AGPL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AGPL</span></a> and resisting to Google's pressure won't save your ecosystem alone.</p><p>BUT it might make their capture weaker and their abuse of their dominant position more evident.</p><p>As for AGPLv3 be harder to use, that's plain bullshit. As long as they use your software unmodified, they do not even need to host a copy of the code. They just need to provide users a link to your repository.</p><p>It's pretty easy.<br>But they do not want to.</p><p>In the long run, an AGPL alternative out of Google's control might enable the creation of an alternative ecosystem, and they want to minimize this risk as much as they can.</p><p>Without looking evil, obviously.</p><p>But if you look at Google from outside the USA, it's slowly becoming a huge geopolitical liability.</p><p>Europe is realizing that depending on <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GAFAM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GAFAM</span></a> means becoming an US colony.</p><p>And alternatives like your might get much more support from here.</p><p>So my suggestion is to ignore the FUD and resist Google.</p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@t0k" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>t0k</span></a></span></p><p>Something else: adopt the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> <a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">http://www.</span><span class="">tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p>As an alternative, stay with <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/AGPLv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AGPLv3</span></a>.</p><p>The choice is:</p><p>- let <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Google</span></a> exploit your work as <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/FreeLabour" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FreeLabour</span></a>, or<br>- force Google to pay to compete with you but starting from scratch</p><p>Never let the bully get what they want.</p>
Shamar<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@Thelie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Thelie</span></a></span> </p><p>No legal precedence, sorry.</p><p>I wrote the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HackingLicense</span></a> (with the help of a lawyer) to address the issues I see in mainstream <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>copyleft</span></a> such as <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GPLv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GPLv3</span></a> and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/AGPLv3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AGPLv3</span></a>.</p><p>These were my first choice before realizing their limits in protecting all evolutions of a covered work.</p><p>Few projects use it, mostly because I'm involved. For example <a href="https://github.com/hermescenter/monitorapa" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">github.com/hermescenter/monito</span><span class="invisible">rapa</span></a></p><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.technology/@rysiek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rysiek</span></a></span></p>
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