mike_hales 💔!?* @mike_hales@social.coop

@njoseph @bhaugen @maiki @maloki

In most democracies it's long been illegal for authorities to enter your house without a warrant.

It should be illegal to view your server/data without a warrant, for exactly the same reasons.

If our lives are going online, the legal principles that protect us offline need to go online too. The current situation is at least as much a regulatory problem as a technical one.

Anyone have recommended domain registrars that are member/worker owned?

Bonus points if they can handle secondary dns (I still have dyndns setup for that...)

Toronto citizens are concerned about the entry of Google's "smart city" subsidiary, Sidewalk Labs, calling it "a colonizing experiment in surveillance capitalismattempting to bulldoze important urban, civic and political issues". https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-sidewalk-toronto-is-not-a-smart-city/ #surveillancecapitalism #latestagecapitalism #communityorganizing

My new paper tries to identify some of what is lost as market-based "sharing economy" platforms increasing replace socially-oriented systems based on actual sharing: https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/what-we-lose-when-we-move-from-social-to-market-exchange (The paper was led by @notconfusing who will present it at @CSCW next month!)

I'm particularly intrigued by the way Outlandish use CoBudget to
> "put surplus profit into a central pot and assign funds to pro bono projects

I wonder if this could work on a larger scale? What if a global network of ethical tech cooperatives used a shared CoBudget instance to pool some funds in a central pot, and decide together how to distribute this as funding for pro bono work?

OP Group is a cooperative and the biggest bank in Finland. It's spending 400€ mil./year on digital development. It's also expanding to electric car renting and owning hospitals.

Googles 1$ mil. is as far as I know the biggest single investment to platform coops so far. That's less than 0.25% of OPs 400 mil budget.

Questions:

- How would you like to see OP invest in platform coops?

- Would you be more likely to contribute to a platform coop project if it was funded by OP and not Google?

@tao

I like Loomio. Many people have complained that it is hard to use, but I think that is a problem with how we use the tools, not the tools or their design. Also Loomio devs are very open to ideas and suggestions.

@bhaugen @mike_hales thus the coining of the "DWeb" PR phrase, an attempt by people invested in the web to stay relevant. Most of the "DWeb" is not the web at all, it's just the net being what it is; a P2P medium. Eg Scuttlebutt has nothing to do with the web (HTTP servers/clients). It's just another net tool, like SSH or IRC or BitTorrent.

@lnxw48a1 I'd agree with @nu.federati.net on this: For me, the advantage of using #fediverse as a common name for everything that uses OStatus / ActivityPub is that whenever you hear something is in the fediverse, you know that it can - at least theoretically - talk to everything else in the fediverse.

If it's expanded to everything that federates using an open protocol, it doesn't mean they're interoperable, and that means the term loses most of its value to me.

Are you new and just giving mastodon a try? Are you worried that it isn't or won't get popular enough? Are you concerned that it might be unstable?

Never fear. The fediverse is older than you think. It has grown slowly, naturally, sustainably. The fediverse is not a startup. The fediverse will not change unexpectedly. The fediverse cannot go out of business. The fediverse is as healthy as we want it to be.

@bhaugen I'm leery of creating novel vocab for the run of it, but it seems to me that the fediverse now has many more kinds of activities going in it (image-sharing, music-streaming, video-streaming, link-sharing etc). Each of these activities is like a mini-federation of its own, that needs to be explained to newbies somehow.

I'm happy to announce that my barebones ActivityPub server, implemented in Node.js/Express, is now open source! I intend for it to be a reference implementation for developers who are adding ActivityPub to their own services, but also it is an application server that you can build on if you want.

In other words, t's a few hundred lines of code that lets you create Mastodon-compatible accounts that can accept follow requests and post stuff to their followers.

https://github.com/dariusk/express-activitypub

@Matt_Noyes Also liked her pointing out that it is a strange but persistent thing that the market has been abstracted out of the natural environment. That the inputs of energy and the outputs of waste have been ignored. She re-embeds the economy into the wider system of the planet.

"It's my belief that history is a wheel. 'Inconstancy is my very essence,' says the wheel. Rise up on my spokes if you like but don't complain when you're cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it's also our hope. The worst of time, like the best, is always passing away."  #boethius