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@ntnsndr why not work on a Loomio integration of some kind?

@Matt_Noyes an option. But thinking about whether the extra tool is necessary.

@ntnsndr I have two concerns related to basic organizing principles: when a group is already doing something that aligns with your strategy and values, don't start a new project that competes, and we need to practice intercooperation at this level. Dissipation is the enemy of solidarity networks, right?

@Matt_Noyes I really like Loomio, but I have consistently heard members say they find it hard to use and follow. I don't think values should have to be painful.

Also, I think it is important to be a space of experimentation. Too often co-ops have gotten complacent and before long they are irrelevant.

To be clear: this is a super hypothetical question. I have only begun playing around with Mastodon bots!

@ntnsndr @Matt_Noyes maybe this points to a need for better onboarding and clarity about how we use Loomio? I am not convinced that the tool is the issue here tbh. I've seen Loomio work well for groups when there is a shared understanding of the protocols for using it. If anything the "drawback" to Loomio is its high degree of customizability, which can be a liability when groups don't have clear decision-making protocols or a consistent culture of agreements.

@arod @ntnsndr

@Matt_Noyes @arod @ntnsndr I've got to be on the upper end of social.coop members in knowledge of Loomio and interest in governance, but I still find myself largely ignoring social.coop's Loomio discussions. I only have so much cognitive energy for it, and there aren't quick, clear ways to plug in. It's not a tool issue for me, it's a how-does-this-group-use-the-tool issue. For those less familiar with Loomio, it might be both, but solving one doesn't necessarily solve the other.

@shauna @Matt_Noyes @arod

First: Yeah, tech is not the solution for anything! I agree that, practically, the most important issue for us is not tech but process and structure. I am very enthusiastic about the re-organizing work going on now.

Second: I'm mostly just scratching my itch of a) wanting to learn how to build Mastodon bots because I like Mastodon, and b) being interested in governance tooling. I am not under any illusions that it would likely be as awesome as Loomio.

@shauna @Matt_Noyes @arod And just as a reminder, I'm the person who has probably done more Loomio on-boarding writing than anyone in the co-op:) I would love some company!

E.g.
https://wiki.social.coop/wiki/Make_a_proposal
https://wiki.social.coop/wiki/How_to_Make_the_Fediverse_Your_Own
https://wiki.social.coop/wiki/Social.coop_guide_to_Mastodon

@shauna @Matt_Noyes @arod Maybe a rephrasing of the question: Is there anything that our governance and community needs from a bot in addition to Loomio?

@ntnsndr @shauna @arod Or even, ccould a bot help us integrate loomio and mastodon such that members can more easily participate in governance and community-building?

@Matt_Noyes @shauna @arod For sure. I could definitely try adding functionality to the @SocialCoop account to publish Loomio activity, for instance. How's that for a start?

@Matt_Noyes @shauna @arod @SocialCoop unfortunately the Loomio feed only has latest posts, not latest-discussed posts

@ntnsndr @shauna @arod @SocialCoop Is there a way to use RSS? I sometimes think that all we need is the ability to add links to the main mastodon interface, the way you can add links to your profile.

@Matt_Noyes @shauna @arod @SocialCoop yep I am harvesting the RSS from Loomio and structuring it

@ntnsndr @shauna @arod @SocialCoop This, I think, is what I was hoping for:

"The ideal solution would be to integrate an RSS viewer into a Madison client, and set it to merge both timelines."

But it seems impossible....?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/uleyda/is_there_a_away_to_bring_rss_feed_to_mastodon/