"..the commons didn’t fail because of a breakdown in trust and cooperation by the commoners but instead the commons were enclosed, stolen and shut down by capitalists, imperialists and various species of the rich and powerful. The whole debate around ‘the tragedy of the commons’ is perhaps irrelevant. [..]The commons are something that we have to fight for, the tragedy is not misuse or failure which can be investigated by game theory, but the brutality of class warfare." Derek Wall #ReadingGroup
@neil @Angle
I continue to believe that mankind's greatest problem is, how do you deal with a power vacuum? Solve that, and implement it, and most of our problems are over.
For a while Democracy worked, I guess (Churchill admittedly said it was dreadful but everything else was worse). But now it's clear that you can step around it by simply acting in bad faith, and a well informed critical populace isn't there any more to spot that and prevent it - supposing that was ever really a thing…
@neil @shadowfirebird I'm not sure if it was /democracy/ that failed per se, versus our economic systems and overall common sense. We trusted the "free" market, and the "free" market laughed and robbed us blind. Now we need to figure put where to go from here. :/
@Angle @neil @shadowfirebird
Well, the free market robbed us blind because it's a power vaccuum. When no one is in charge, The Bastards will come to be in charge.
The only workable system of organisation I know without an autocratic leader, is democracy.
@neil @shadowfirebird No no, I agree. And I don't think a free market /has/ to be a power vacuum that decays (collapses?). You just have yo understand that it's not a stable, natural phenomenon, it's an unstable artificial one, and like most unstable artificial things, it will require constant defense and maintenance. And yes, I know that's an odd thing to hear from the person with the avatar imitating Lenin. XD
@shadowfirebird @neil Argh, wait. That should have said market economy, not free market. :/
@Angle @shadowfirebird @neil
Okay, that makes more sense :)
It seems as if competition, or at least diversity, is definitely a good thing -- so, I agree.
Of course the *other* way of solving all human problems would be if the majority of humans just started acting like responsible adults. I have always assumed that that was how Anarchy was supposed to work. I'm sympathetic, but it seems like a long shot to me -- where human nature is concerned, I'm definitely a cynic.
@shadowfirebird @neil "All human beings acting like responsible adults" is literally impossible, barring sufficiently advanced transhuman technologies. Actually, I'm gonna do a thing on this tomorrow - I have a fascinating series of thoughts that I want to share, but not right now. XD
@Angle @shadowfirebird @neil
I'm all ears. No one seems to be talking about this!
@shadowfirebird @neil Well, I worked on a longpost, but it's giving me some trouble. Might be a day or two. XD