Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://birdbutt.com/@colinstu" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>colinstu</span></a></span> except <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>discord</span></a> is <em>worse</em> than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a> in every possible way...</p><ul><li>Simply because it's a shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SaaS</span></a> that is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a>! </li></ul><p>At least IRC allows for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> and way more granular control...</p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.coffee/@htwj" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>htwj</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> yeah, traded one <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proproetary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proproetary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution for another.</p><ul><li>Consider <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>) and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a>) instead...</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://furry.engineer/@soatok" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>soatok</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jwildeboer</span></a></span> I still disagree because it completely ignores <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> being <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SinglePrivider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SinglePrivider</span></a>, demanding <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>, being able and willing to restrict functionality based off that and being subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>.</p><ul><li>And with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>'s regime going apeshit, the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> are more and more a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/risk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>risk</span></a> factor!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@erebion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>erebion</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.online/@inaruck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>inaruck</span></a></span> es gibt <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">soviele Gründe</a> weshalb Mensch nicht <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> vertrauen sollte.</p><p>Aber um es nochnal klar zu erklären:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> verlangt <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telefonnummer</span></a> = <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> (Persönlich identifizierbare Informationen). [Und nein, sich irgendwo zwielichtig ne Nummer als Ausrede greift nicht!]</p></li><li><p>Signal ist zentralisiert & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> sowie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a>!</p></li><li><p>Signal fällt wegen Sitz in den <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> unter <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> = inhärent mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DSGVO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DSGVO</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a> inkompatibel!</p></li><li><p>Signal erlaubt keine <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> aller Keys und ist deshalb für Einige Angriffsmethoden offen!</p></li></ul><p>Nur echte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Dezentralisierung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Dezentralisierung</span></a> wie bei <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> kann <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Datenschutz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Datenschutz</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Informationssicherheit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Informationssicherheit</span></a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Vertraulichkeit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Vertraulichkeit</span></a> sicherstellen.</p><ul><li>Anders als Signal kann <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> nicht gegen Nutzer basierend auf Herkunft (<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rufnummer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Rufnummer</span></a>!) diskriminieren und anders als Signal funktioniert XMPP+OMEMO problemlos über <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> und kann als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosted</span></a></em> werden, für maximale <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Privatsph%C3%A4re" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Privatsphäre</span></a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Datenhoheit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Datenhoheit</span></a>!</li></ul><p>Die strukturellen Probleme von Signal machen es angesichts einer <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gleichgeschaltet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gleichgeschaltet</span></a>|en <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a></em> ein absolut unnötiges <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Risiko" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Risiko</span></a>, denn ich garantiere <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> wird für keine*n User*in lebenslange <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Beugehaft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Beugehaft</span></a> riskieren!</p><ul><li>Genauso wie's <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">keine</a> <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LoglessVPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LoglessVPN</span></a>|s"</em> gibt!</li></ul><p>Und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> ist sehr wohl in der Lage <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> - <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Backdoors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Backdoors</span></a> zu integrieren, denn sonst wären die wegen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITAR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITAR</span></a> bereits geknastet worden, weil diese <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nutzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nutzer</span></a>*innen aus <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Kuba" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Kuba</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nordkorea" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nordkorea</span></a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Russland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Russland</span></a> haben!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://troet.cafe/@pixelschubsi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>pixelschubsi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@dalias" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dalias</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://transfem.social/@puppygirlhornypost2" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>puppygirlhornypost2</span></a></span> that doesn't change the inherent issues of <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> being <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> compared to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> as in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a>.</p><p>Or des anyone expect <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and it's staff to actually resist?</p><ul><li>Cuz <em>I don't</em>!<a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113999563684987571" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1139995</span><span class="invisible">63684987571</span></a></li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@patrickcmiller" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>patrickcmiller</span></a></span> maybe usibg a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is part of the problem.</p><ul><li>I hope to be priven wrong but I fully expect the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Musk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Musk</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> regime to flex <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> and <em>turn <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a>'s pronouns into was/were nonconsensually</em>…</li></ul><p>People should use some <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralization</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@raumfahrttutnot" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>raumfahrttutnot</span></a></span> using <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> als a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution that is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> is a bad idea to begin with!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@dalias" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>dalias</span></a></span> I <em>sincerely disagree</em> because none of my claims got debunked and no evidence against <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> have come up to me as of today.</p><ul><li><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> being a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> by virtue of being located in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> <em>WILL NOT JUST BLOW UP IN PEOPLES FACES, BUT GET PEOPLE KILLED</em> under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trumpism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trumpism</span></a>!</li></ul><p>I hope to be proven wrong, but up until now I've always been at the position of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBgeCZW3upg" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">saying</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ToldYaSo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ToldYaSo</span></a>!</p><ul><li>Whereas with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> you have way stricter <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DataProtection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataProtection</span></a> (cuz there are no <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DataProtevtionLaws" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataProtevtionLaws</span></a> in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>US</span></a> that actually get enforced, otherwise <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Musk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Musk</span></a>'s minions.would've been jailed of not killed for trespassing and hacking critical systems!) <em>AND</em> unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a>, <a href="https://monovles.eu" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">monocles</a> doesn't demand any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> whatsoever! <a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113999675511028742" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1139996</span><span class="invisible">75511028742</span></a></li></ul><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> I disagree as <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> <em>requires</em> a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> = <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> & cost barrier and they restrict access based off <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Plus it's illegal in an increasing number if juristictions to gmeven attempt to acquire a phone number or SIM anonymously.</li></ul><p>Whereas it's so easy and fast to get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> setup with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (which uninke <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> doesn't demand PII!) that I'd challenge you to a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/speedrun" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>speedrun</span></a> <em>with step-by-step documentation for every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterate</span></a> to follow along</em> to setup Signal <em>from scratch</em> vs. me doing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span>.</p><ul><li>Cuz I did that on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParties" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParties</span></a> quite often.</li></ul><p>Also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> being <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a> makes it as vulnerable as any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution!</p><ul><li>Whereas even if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> were to shutdown, one could easily switch over to any other provider or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a>.</li></ul><p>I'd not count on the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>-Regime not flexing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> against anyone they deem undesireable!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>lauren</span></a></span> no, because <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> (= incompatible with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a> if you ever care!) and collects <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the firirm of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>, which are at best pseudonymous but trivial to track and at most means that people inviting others without their consent comitted an illegal disclosure if PII!</p><ul><li>Use <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys that isn't <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">a</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">peddles</a> a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>shitcoin</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>scam</span></a>!</li></ul><p>Give <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> a shot: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a>.</p><p><a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/apps/chat.app/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">1</a> <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/services/chat.service/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">2</a> <a href="https://docs.monocles.eu/account/account/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">3</a> <a href="https://monocles.eu/more/#account-section" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">4</a> <a href="https://monocles.chat/login" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">5</a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@Beggarmidas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Beggarmidas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Em0nM4stodon</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Govware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Govware</span></a> aside, I think <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/architecture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>architecture</span></a> of being a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> "solution" that.collects <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a> <em>will bite it in it's rear</em>, cuz I'd not count on <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> not breaking when facing <em>life in prison</em> under <em>torturous conditions</em> (by European Standards).</p><ul><li>Whereas <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> and other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> clients do <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the keys!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://girlcock.club/@steeps" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>steeps</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://lesbian.solutions/@vultureculture" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>vultureculture</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> </p><p><em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InconvenientTruth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InconvenientTruth</span></a> is inconvenient!</em></p><p>Cuz when push comes to shove <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> <em>will talk</em> - <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210908180219/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">they always do</a>!</p><ul><li>The same fools that trust <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> systems like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> also trusted <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoAG</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a> before...</li></ul><p>But hey, feel free to take the gamble if you believe the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/christofacist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>christofacist</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>-Regime won't target you sooner or later.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cyberfacism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cyberfacism</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://swiss.social/@silvan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>silvan</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@nakal" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>nakal</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kuketzblog</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Threema</span></a> hat dieselben Probleme wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a>:</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/zentralisiert" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>zentralisiert</span></a></li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/propriet%C3%A4r" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietär</span></a></li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a></li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Sicherheit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Sicherheit</span></a>? <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a>!"</em></li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/113938762230637543" translate="no" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">infosec.space/@kkarhan/1139387</span><span class="invisible">62230637543</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@ck" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ck</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://soc.hardwarepunk.de/profile/sven222" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sven222</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>kuketzblog</span></a></span> problem is <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution that falls under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> and demands <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>.</p><ul><li>So even if we'd agree that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> as implememented in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> is bad (and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME over XMPP isn't good either) there are still better options than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> (i.e. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a> which uses PGP/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IMAP</span></a>-Push aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a>) that don't require a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>, allow <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHosting</span></a> and are truly <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a> with an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpebStandard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpebStandard</span></a> that allows for <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> as in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Keys" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Keys</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Cuz all the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/advertising" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>advertising</span></a> of Signal is close to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TrustMeBro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TrustMeBro</span></a> and I'd not trust in <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> to <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210606070919/twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">risk jail for users</a>!</p><ul><li>But you do you... </li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://possum.city/@tauon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tauon</span></a></span> no, it is not because it is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> that collects <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>, which makes it inherently less secure, as they are able and willing to restrict access as they please.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://koelle4future.de/@blog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blog</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@sylv_a" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sylv_a</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://literatur.social/@viennawriter" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>viennawriter</span></a></span> nur dass <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> auch nen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Shitcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Shitcoin</span></a> - <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scam</span></a> und <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/propriet%C3%A4r" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietär</span></a>|e <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SinglePrivider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SinglePrivider</span></a> - Lösung ist die unzulässig <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Telefonnummer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Telefonnummer</span></a>|n verlangt!<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FACT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FACT</span></a>: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> is <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proprietary</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution to a problem sufficiently solved by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>! </p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> defenders should really go outside, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TouchGrass" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TouchGrass</span></a> and accept the cold hard <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/truth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>truth</span></a> that their messenger is insecure!</li></ul><p>Because collecting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumbers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumbers</span></a>, restricting functionality based off it and then shoving a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Scamcoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Scamcoin</span></a> [<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a>] into it disqualifies it in any serious Cryptographers' Eyes... </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">youtube.com/watch?v=tJoO2uWrX1M</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@sylv_a" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sylv_a</span></a></span> personally, I'd recommend <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> (and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME - encrypted <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a>) for <em>real <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>E2EE</span></a></em> with <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfCustody</span></a> of Keys</em> as well as actual <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decentralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>decentralization</span></a>.</p><ul><li>All <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> and/or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solutions are inherently insecure, if not due to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechStack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechStack</span></a> (i.e. using a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CDN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CDN</span></a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ClownFlare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ClownFlare</span></a> for app assets with <em>no valid reason</em>), <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> (demaning a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a> which oftentimes cannot be obtained <em>anonymously</em> for <em>no valod reason</em>!) or lack of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DataProtection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataProtection</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Laws" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Laws</span></a> (i.e. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> is inherently incompatible with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a>), it's due to the inherent risks of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralization" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralization</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Cuz I <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220112020000/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">noone's gonna risk jailtime for (non-paying!) users</a> - it at all…</p><ul><li>Not even <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> !</li></ul><p>In fact I'd call U.S. MIL/INTEL as <em>"criminally incompetent"</em> if they didn't manage to plant <em>multiple people</em> inside <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> or any other single-vendor / single-provider messenger. </p><ul><li>Cuz <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOBUS" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>if Signal wasn't</em></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NOBUS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NOBUS</span></a>, they would've been shutdown/taken down/criminalized/hacked like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EncroChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EncroChat</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SkyECC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SkyECC</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Personally, solutions like Signal & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Threema</span></a> have a stench like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoAG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoAG</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MINERVA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MINERVA</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Rubikon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Rubikon</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AN%C3%98M" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANØM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationIronside" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationIronside</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OperationTr%C3%B8janShield" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OperationTrøjanShield</span></a>.</p><ul><li></li></ul><p>By contrast: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpenStandards" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenStandards</span></a> like XMPP+OMEMO & PGP/MIME are <em>independently verifyable</em> and not dependent on on a single individual/organization for maintenance/survival/implementation/development.</p><ul><li>Also not depending on <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GAFAMs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GAFAMs</span></a> and/or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VCmoneyBurningParties" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>VCmoneyBurningParties</span></a> is way more sustainable long-term...</li></ul><p>Personally I'd still recommend <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a>...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rysiek</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://circumstances.run/@agturcz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>agturcz</span></a></span> that's not how you fix <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliteracy</span></a>, espechally since things changed for the better.</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>monocles</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monoclesChat</span></a> & <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>gajim</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> are quite easy, whereas <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> demands <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> in the form of a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Phone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Phone</span></a> number which is more often than not not legally obtainable without <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a>"</em> aka. <em>"forced <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfDoxxing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SelfDoxxing</span></a>"</em> all whilst being an extremely <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> solution that falls under <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a> ant thus <em>cannot</em> adhere to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a>!</p><ul><li>Sorry, but <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechPopulism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechPopulism</span></a>"</em> alike <a href="https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/113869169340313254" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><code>"JuSt UsE sIgNaL !"</code></a> won't fix <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliteracy</span></a> but rather provide false sense of security to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterates</span></a> when the <em>correct solution</em> is to teach <em>proper</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechLiteracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechLiteracy</span></a> like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@chaos.social</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.earth/@cryptoparty" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>cryptoparty@mastodon.earth</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CryptoParty" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CryptoParty</span></a> does...</li></ul><p>Otherwise we'd only perpetuate the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Enshittification</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lifecycle" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lifecycle</span></a> as has happened with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AIM</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ICQ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ICQ</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BBM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BBM</span></a> and so many more...</p><ul><li>Mark my words, cuz I've been proven correct up to this point.</li></ul><p>If <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> <em>actually cared</em>, they would've setup their system <em>truly decentralized</em> as an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionService" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OnionService</span></a> over <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>!</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/THXBYE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>THXBYE</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EOD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EOD</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DigitalSnakeoil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DigitalSnakeoil</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FakeSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FakeSec</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://tilde.zone/@anelki" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>anelki</span></a></span> I do agree to some extent.</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PGP</span></a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a> keep the coversation contents secure, but merely encrypting messages is just 10% of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ComSec</span></a>! </p><ul><li>One also needs to deal with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>InfoSec</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpSec</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ITsec</span></a> in general...</li></ul><p>Like: If you use some garbage Android 8.1 device that never got security updates then you can use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a> all day and that won't protect ya ass!</p><ul><li>Speaking of <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>signalapp</span></a></span>, the same as with any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>eMail</span></a> provider or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Messenger</span></a> applies: </li></ul><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210226175949/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">none of them will refuse to comply with a duely submitted subopena</a>, otherwise <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mer__edith</span></a></span> would already be in prison.</p><ul><li>And Signal, like all <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>centralized</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleVendor</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SingleProvider</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Messengers</span></a> collects <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PII</span></a> [<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PhoneNumber</span></a>!] with <em>no legitimate reason</em> and is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CloudAct</span></a>, which is inherently incompatible with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a>...</li></ul>
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