@strypey @adfeno @wilbr @bob

> That theory, that funded projects will pass on funds or maintenance work to the projects they depend on, doesn't seem to be borne out in practice

The only really adequately funded downstream projects today are proprietary, for-profit, exploitive! Of course they do a poor job funding their upstream stuff… but when it really counts they actually DO anyway, see the Linux kernel.

But funding real ethical FLO downstream projects *will* be different reality.

@Blort Final point here: The model is the everyone-matching-each-other. The budget limit isn't crowdmatching, it's just a cap for assurance.

If you're prepared today to donate $15 to a project, crowdmatching lets you *withhold* your donation and use it to incentivize many more people to join you to where it actually makes a difference.

@Blort In other words: if we can get an order of magnitude or two more people donating to public goods at their *actual* budget limits… THEN we can democratically decide which of various methods to use to spread the burden as fairly as possible.

The only reason a limit exists now, far before it could be hit is for the portion of people who freak out about the idea of a limitless matching pledge and need reassurance of a hard limit they control.

@Blort We do need to clarify that one point better. The ONLY purpose of a budget limit is a guarantee that you won't donate more than you are willing or can afford.

A forum discussion of the same question: community.snowdrift.coop/t/que

that links to wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/limi too

Short answer: We don't want you out, we want to get to where there's 15,000 patrons and we'll be already changing the world by the time you actually hit that limit. How to balance things then is not our problem now.

@strypey @adfeno @wilbr @bob

Within crowdmatching at Snowdrift.coop, our view for the upstream dependencies:

If we can get downstream wide-audience stuff funded better, those downstream projects are the ones in the best position to then pass funding upstream to their dependencies.

@strypey @adfeno @wilbr @bob

Snowdrift.coop is only "fairly traditional" to the extent that it's still just people deciding to directly fund projects they care about.

Our crowdmatching model is *not* the common crowdfunding stuff, it's a fundamentally different approach to cooperative fundraising (which is one reason we've struggled to get launched, innovation presents challenges).

There exist libre-focused crowdfunding options already but that's not enough wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-res

@bob At Snowdrift.coop, we're working on addressing these dilemmas in ways nobody else is tackling. And Nadia's framing is right but just falls way too short.

Our response / expansion of her thesis: wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-res

New homepage with fancy animated video is now live at snowdrift.coop

We only spent about 2 years of (on and off) work on it, so don't expect perfection. ;)

Hopefully, we'll get around to writing blog post about it sometime soon.

Maybe it's unrealistic to see excitement about a ToS or Privacy Policy but we've worked to make the best, human-readable, ethical new policies:

- snowdrift.coop/terms

- snowdrift.coop/privacy

Primary driver of the overhaul is announcing our new forum (also highly adjusted to be the best it can be):

community.snowdrift.coop

All connected policies including Code of Conduct have been overhauled.

community.snowdrift.coop/guide

Feedback always welcome. Coming soon: blog posts, more announcements…

@Steve ETA not exact, but we talked with some outside projects just this past weekend at and are moving forward to preparing the site to list them; but our bandwidth is limited ourselves as currently all-volunteer team.

some Snowdrift.coop team members and supporters will be at 2018, this weekend in Portland and also stopping by the expo hall of next week.

If you're going and want to meet up, let us know.

@Steve Snowdrift.coop has not had any outside projects on the platform yet, still working to get everything in place and then recruit the first projects.

Hi all, Snowdrift.coop is an in-progress funding platform for public goods. We used to use @snowdriftcoop but that instance of GNU Social is dead.

Follow us here. Lots of announcements coming in the future.

social.coop

social.coop is a a coop-run corner of the fediverse, a cooperative and transparent approach to operating a social platform. We are currently closed to new memberships while we improve our internal processes and policies, and plan to re-open to new folks when that work is complete. [9/2/2018]