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now that i've got nextcloud up and running "for real," i'm realizing that i should never have expected a nice experience using a lil ol raspberry pi 3b+ to serve it.

i need to figure out if i could be happy using any of the other computers hanging around here, or if i need to accept this turning into a cloud-hosted project.

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originally, one thing that appealed to me about hosting it here was that there would be upfront costs, but the only ongoing cost would be electricity.

i guess i have to check the rough cost of powering the other server candidates, next.

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i did some napkin math last night, and it's substantially cheaper to turn my old macbook into a nextcloud server, than to use an equivalent droplet at DigitalOcean (they are, so far at least, my go-to cloud provider). so maybe my next step is doing a little reading about installing Arch on that device.

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@redoak btw, I resisted replying before because I don't want to be "that guy" here, but...

I gave up on increasing my maintenance burdens this past year so I opted for the Hetzner Storage Share service, which is just a hosted NextCloud. I pay EUR9.90/mo for 2tb. :/

hetzner.com/storage/storage-sh

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@Greg i hear you on the maintenance point. at every step of this project so far i've found myself thinking "is this really worth my time right now?" - that's why it was back-burnered for like a year!

i guess i'm determined to only go to the cloud for this after learning why the hard way...

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@redoak which is a great way to go about it!

I spent a lot of time with my little 2-bay Synology NAS. It's still here doing it's things, which now is effectively just a local copy of what is in the hosted NextCloud. I felt I couldn't just not have any other backup than "trust Hetzner" of all that data. It's an old ARM-based one (DS213, I think).

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@Greg @redoak I'm curious if it's actually fast enough? Every time I've tried to use any hosted Nextcloud it's been painfully slow. Unsure if it's over provisioned hosts, a Nextcloud problem, or just me.

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@sam like download speeds or the user interface?

It's not going to be local LAN speeds, of course.

My home net is about 27ish megabytes (220 bits) down according to fast.com, and I get ~20 megabytes/sec from the Hetzner servers in Europe (I'm on the west coast of the US).

The UI hasn't been horrible, but it's also not instant. I haven't had experience with another instance though, so not sure how to compare.

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@sam According to the NextCloud Settings page it's running on a "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1650 v2 @ 3.50GHz (6 cores)" with 64gigs of ram.

Not sure how many actual users share that though.

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@Greg The UI; switching pages or apps is so unbearably slow as to be almost unusable on all the ones I've tried (and I've signed up for quite a few free trials at this point). Once you're in an app, it's better but still painfully slow to eg. finish rendering the full UI (ignoring photo previews and the like which aren't necessary to be preloaded and which I expect to take longer)

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@sam yeah, it's not fast in my experience, but I don't use it much.

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