I am looking for people who are interested and have some expertise in both and .

We've recently started a little group, and I'd like to reach out to broaden my view.

@douginamug @SociocracyForAll @mattcropp @ntnsndr @samtoland @tbeckett @aral

I'd like to learn more for sure. I'm always a bit skeptical when people are like "THIS structure will FIX your PROBLEMS!" especially after trying a couple different governance structures in college student groups... you can spend SO much time talking about group structure and not really get anywhere.

@aral @tbeckett @samtoland @ntnsndr @mattcropp @SociocracyForAll @douginamug

On the other hand, it seems like a lot of people have had some really good experiences with Sociocracy, especially when it comes to time/burnout saving, which is kind of the holy grail of organizational structure.

I'm especially interested in the history of how it came to be, and what sets it apart from other systems (ex: what's between consensus and consent?)


@aaron @douginamug @SociocracyForAll @mattcropp @samtoland @tbeckett @aral I just had a good call with Nathan Snyder (no relation) who works with Encode, which basically puts an ownership layer on Holacracy. Pretty neat.

@ntnsndr It has never been clear to me how Holacracy differs from Sociocracy other than branding and style. I'm interested in learning more. @aral @samtoland @mattcropp @SociocracyForAll @douginamug @aaron

@ntnsndr @aral @tbeckett @samtoland @mattcropp @douginamug @aaron Yes. And sociocracy and holacracy are close. Here is one important difference between the two, and that's the ownership model. Holacracy® is a registered trademark. Sociocracy is open. A world of a difference to me. holacracy.org/trademark (To be precise, the "sociocratic circle method SCM", a set of norms, is not but that's irrelevant. Sociocracy for the basic principles is free. Anyone can offer services and call it that.)

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