Does anyone know about computer music production tools? I was wondering if there was a program where you could sort of layer things and save a project like that (not like a drum machine type thing but just arbitrarily place things if that makes sense) also I don't have a clue what I'm talking about so sorry if this sounds stupid

@nico It makes total sense, not a bad idea at all. Such software exists and some such applications are available for free.
You could start with Audacity.

Here's an intro / tutorial

Here's the software

If you're on Linux, your system may already have it installed or likely available through a package manager.

@h thank you, that tutorial looks super handy

I've heard of Audacity but I thought it was much more basic (but I've no real experience of recording or production so)

Thanks again

@nico Audacity can be real simple to get simple things done. There's no need to learn all knobs and pulls, bells and whistles.
Say, for example, fading in background music, overlaying a speech, fading out music. That can be done with just three basic functions.

It's hard to imagine editing that's simpler than that. Professional production is like seventy thousand million times more complex, to give you an idea 😃

@nico Indeed 😃

To give you an idea, this is what a semi-professional (commercially available) tool like Propellerhead's Reason looks like

It sounds amazing, but the complexity of it and the involvement necessary to master more advanced tools is unaffordable for casual users in terms of time investment.

@h yeah i'm just a punk kid turned old, I need the path of least resistance

@nico Audacity it is then.

Only one single recommendation:

Make sure you save versions often, use folders to organise, and descriptive names to label your files. You can always delete versions you don't like later.

When you're making your first experience and you still don't know your way around very well, it's harder to re-create something you overwrote, or something you didn't save.

@nico @h yes, Audacity will do you well. If you want to go further, the MAGIX suite often has specials.

@nico Basically, that’s most DAWs. GarageBand for the Mac and iOS is like that, and it’s easy to use.

@sanspoint Probably I just didn't understand when I played with FL but everything seemed to need to be in a grid or in loops or what have you but I'm picturing just layering different sounds on to a blank canvas?

@nico If you have the sounds already, perhaps Audacity will work for you. It’s a WAV editor, and you can drop samples and sounds into tracks and move them around.

@nico Honestly audacity might be fine if that's all you need to do.

@nico There are lots of different things. I'm not quite sure what you mean entirely, but I tend to look at FLOSS projects in preference to commercial projects (especially since anything I've tried commercially for "digital art", I'm not even sure if it would run on this machine). If you mean recording (or collecting) multiple tracks, and then being able to mix them, my choice (and I don't think it's the best) for myself would be Audacity.

@JigmeDatse Okay thank you, possibly I need to know more about what I'm trying to say. Most people have said Audacity though

@nico My recommendation of that, is more that I'm very familiar with it. I also have:

- Ardour
- Rosegarden
- Supercollider

installed which would be my "music production" stuff. But only the barest familiarity of these.

I think once you've got the basics with Audacity, it's usually fairly easy to figure other stuff out, if you have a basic understanding of music/audio production. The other ones can take a while to get anywhere "real" with them.

@JigmeDatse ah okay, thanks for that. Lately I definitely prefer tools (for whatever) that aren't too fussy or involve too much learning - I'm not a professional, just need to get some stuff out of my head asafp

@nico @JigmeDatse so it definitely doesn't fit the short learning curve requirement, but the first thing I thought of when you said "place things wherever" or whatever it was, was AMS. Alsa Modular Synth.

And I honestly have no fucking clue how it works.

Here's what it looks like. Good luck.

@teslas_moustache @JigmeDatse heh that's daft

I can see how it might be a great way to work for people accustomed to physical boxes and cables though

@nico @JigmeDatse ...something like that. I guess if you really are used to a modular synth this might work, but how many of those people are there?

Anyway, I don't do music production, but Audacity is very underrated imo. There's also Ardour which is a fully-featured DAW. But, again, learning curve.

@teslas_moustache @nico I like Audacity, and sometimes I want something that is "more" and look at different things.

Having looked at Ardour (and I'll keep taking looks at it) I find that it feels a lot like trying to do things in Adobe products without a background in them. You want to do something simple, and can't figure it out, and finally go back to doing it in something "simple" like Audacity and get it done in 10 minutes after having not done so in 2 hours with something "better".

@nico @teslas_moustache I see people who work with similar systems, and go "hey cool, that's awesome what you're doing there," then decide to try it out myself. I *will* say that I like supercollider if you are willing to spend some time before getting anything "cool" happening with it. But what I like about it, is there is a *great* tutorial built in (at least it is for me) which takes you from not knowing anything, to (I think) understanding how to do some really cool stuff with it.

@nico I *really* like Audacity if it would be something which would meet your needs. There are things which I *think* I wouldn't recommend doing with it. But the tools that are available in it as it stands, and that you can work with if you want *will* allow you to do pretty much anything with it.

If you want to be able to do audio recording, and multi-track stuff, and most of the "basic" stuff it's fantastic.

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