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I like to keep my eyes open around community oriented tech, a lot of talk of interesting potentials at various stages of concept.

Very common that after writing about the cool new decentralized community tech coming, it says (real examples):

"We use Slack, Zoom, Miro, Asana, and Google Docs to collaborate."

"You can also read our updates on Twitter, Telegram, and Discord"

This community-way isn't quite there yet I think...

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@nicksellen

Sounds like you'd enjoy an article @Matt_Noyes and @GuerillaOntologist have been scheming about... in fact... would you want to join them in writing it I wonder...

@emi @nicksellen @GuerillaOntologist @clayton

So, maybe the idea is to write an article directed at all the people and movement groups we know (ourselves too!) who continue using proprietary and surveillance capitalist tools and platforms when a) good alternatives exist
b) these tools are aligned with our goals and methods, and
c) co-op, commons, and floss efforts deserve our support.

It would be interesting to look at examples of groups that have adopted FLOSS/Co-op/Commons tools...

@Matt_Noyes @emi @GuerillaOntologist @clayton

One thing I've been thinking about is in-person events with local groups/projects that are probably more-or-less aligned/supportive, but don't know much about these other tools, and/or don't have any practical help.

To do such events though I think I need support myself from a wider network of people, so I don't seem like a lone individual spouting some incomprehensible dogmatic nonsense.

Without material support it's maybe "Nice idea but..."

@nicksellen @Matt_Noyes @emi @clayton
That's where I'm at as well. Every new tech tool comes w/ a learning curve, & without a good deal of on-going support/hand-holding its often difficult to prevent backsliding 2 the corporate product that everyone already knows how 2 use. Just hectoring people to use the tools because they exist is an inadequate approach, imo, which is why I like the idea of looking at orgs that have been successful & those that haven't & seeing what the successful ones did.

@GuerillaOntologist @Matt_Noyes @emi @clayton

yes! sounds great :) I don't think I know any... well, actually we have some examples with @karrot - one aspect there is having something on the new platform that people actually want to be part of (that's once it's set up though, and a core team into it).

I also don't want to force tools on people, but given free choice, people often want familiar tech (understandable), narrative might be helpful there (community tech for community projects).

@nicksellen Our paradox might be: We do have the capacity, but how to compete with free services without being paid. You could think of a world full of volunteers, but it is mostly people rotating in and out of paid jobs/gigs. Which means chaos.

@gert yes, tricky economics!

to me, a deeper sense of transformation is important, where we bring our personal ways of living into the process. People writing fancy reports often have very expensive lives compared to my sense of A Good Life. We can tap into overlooked abundance.

The chaos of volunteering I think is because they're seen as commodity resources. Not whole people. And missing a way to take on responsibilities.

Job/money needs fuck a lot of this up.. expensive houses...

@nicksellen Since 2008 I've been looking for solutions, but didn't find any. It seems we need better solidarity structures along with people who are willing to take risks. You see this in poor parts in cities. E.g. i find this inspiring:

Spain's 'Robin Hood' swindled banks to help fight capitalism | World news | The Guardian
theguardian.com/world/2014/apr

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