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If you crosspost from twitter to mastodon I would really appreciate it if you marked your account as a bot (see superuser.com/a/1439495 for explanation of the effect).

If it's a dual purpose account (i.e. crossposting AND direct posting), then I would appreciate it if you created a separate account for the twitter crossposting and marked that as a bot account.

Crossposted tweets appear as a mess of broken links, missing threads, and the account is often unresponsive to replies.

Thanks!

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@nicksellen oh, it is a shame that crossposting is this frowned upon. I've been enjoying using moa.party, and I think that it adds value to the ecosystem as it boosts the visibility of the fediverse elsewhere.

I try to be responsive here of course; I basically alternate between tusky/pinafore and Twitter when I check out social media. My 2c is that crossposting, done responsibly, is likely a net win for the fediverse. Wdyt?

@nicksellen the way I think about it with good crossposting Twitter converges to yet another fediverse client and brings the fediverse into full view of a greater audience, potentially siphoning users away from Twitter at some rate.

anagora.org/node/flanbook

@flancian I'm not opposing crossposting in general, just sharing my request that those accounts be marked as such, and that I can get a better idea if it's worth replying to a toot (it's not clear if replying to a crossposted tweet will engage the author).

Having crossposting accounts seperated means I can then choose to mute them, but the person can still interact directly on the fediverse too. Right now I have to choose, either mute their crossposting activity AND direct activity or neither.

@flancian I'm also not very interested in connecting to the great masses on twitter. My personal preference would be allowlist-only federation actually. A smaller more curated fediverse.

@nicksellen I understand and respect that choice, and I think you should have the tools to make the fediverse work in the way you want it to. What do you mean with allowlist-only federation though? You think that should be the default setup for @social.coop?

@flancian I wonder if allowlist federation for all of the fediverse would be a better default. The length of the blocklists that go around seems to get unmanageable at some point.

I, and many others, aren't here to have conversations with the entire world. The burden of moderation is crazily high in that case, it doesn't seem to scale.

I'd be quite happy to interact with a small set of curated instances/people (like in physical life). Dunbars number perhaps.

@nicksellen right -- that makes sense. I, on the other hand, am here to make as many acquaintances as possible, and tend to post in fully open/broadcast mode :)

I think the network should support both use cases; but I wonder if your profile and mine actually would fit better in two separate instances.

Is there a default @social.coop position in this spectrum?

@nicksellen @flancian yes, the possibility of auto-server discovery (admins get notifications "this server exist") coupled to whitelisting ("do you want to federate with it?") has been mentioned a couple of times as a possible alternative to current situation.
I'm rather in favor of it, especially if coupled to an additional feature that would let local users see those notifications and vote on whether they'd like to federate.

@nicksellen I wonder if auto-adding hashtags (like ) to cross posts is a good solution here? Then you could filter that.

I'd like to comply with your request in spirit as I think it'd be the maximally respectful thing to do, but I see two issues with the proposed alternatives:

1. marking my account as a bot is just not correct in this case as I'm not a bot -- at least half the time :)
2. having a second account would fragment my online identity and impose an awkward burden on me and others.

@flancian I already muted you :) ... but kept the notifications on, so if you mention me I still see it.

We have a gridlocked set of needs here, well muting is fine for me. I try and not read too much stuff online anyway.

@nicksellen oh, a shame! I think we probably left some cooperation/compromise opportunities on the table here; happy to revisit anytime.

I'll run a poll to see if this is a common concern that others have and revisit myself if so.

Have a nice day!

@nicksellen

This seems like a good idea.

"Crossposted tweets appear as a mess of broken links, missing threads, and the account is often unresponsive to replies."

This is the problem, plus the drain on community-building.

@nicksellen I maintain a couple of 'organization' accounts (i.e. @hack42 , @reproducible_builds , @mch2021 ) that primarily re-post things from twitter. I did not mark them as 'bot' so far, since if I'm doing my job right, they don't have most of the problems typical 'bot accounts' have.

(you can find the configurations of the automated parts at github.com/raboof/mastodon-bot )

@raboof yup, looks almost like they're not crossposted, and you clearly state who is monitoring the account.

Perhaps could link to the original source on twitter in the profile though?

And then I also wonder what would you lose by marking the accounts as bots? (which I understand they still are for the vast majority of the toots).

(perhaps it would be nice if it were possible to mark individual toots as "bot toots", alas it's not possible)

@nicksellen Maybe something to consider adding to the code of conduct? (to get all bureaucratic)

@Matt_Noyes totally! I don't find it so bureaucratic even, just helping people understand what kind of community behaviour is appreciated.

Maybe worth a loomio discussion/vote? I don't know if I feel the energy to create one though :/

@nicksellen I wonder what my fellow community ops team members think?

The question: should Social.Coop have a policy along these lines:

If you crosspost from twitter to mastodon mark your account as a bot (see superuser.com/a/1439495 for explanation of the effect).

If it's a dual purpose fediverse account (i.e. crossposting AND direct posting), then please create a separate account for the twitter crossposting and mark it as a bot account.

@mattcropp @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher

@flancian @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher I remember a while back I asked someone to adjust their crossposter to just crosspost their tweets, as it was posting both their tweets and retweets, which kinda overwhelmed the timeline.

I'd definitely be onboard with a more explicit policy on that front...

@mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher right -- either a policy or better tools?

I think ideally this would be managed by the reader's client, but I understand that's difficult. In general, though, I wouldn't go and ask someone to post less of X in general; I'd rather have the tools to filter X.

@mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher if someone boosted a lot of toots at the same rate, would the impact on the timeline be equally bad or better?

@mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher oh, I didn't know that, thanks.

Then I'll disable automatic cross-posting of retweets in moa.part to match these semantics.

@mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher oh, actually it seems moa.party already does something reasonable: retweets are posted as 'unlisted'.

@flancian @mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher
Does quoting from #Twitter as a source for an in your toot used information count?
PS: is it really to much to ask to use
nitter.net/ or tweets.newsbots.eu/
if you #retweettwitter.
A hashtag to indicate that would also be great, but #retweet is often used to ask for #boost|ing, and RT is something altogether different.

@blueplanetslittlehelper @mattcropp @Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher hi, Birgit! Nice to meet you.

Sorry but I didn't quite get your proposal or question; I'm unsure what Nitter is for in this context. Could you please explain?

Hi @flancian!
"If you crosspost from twitter to mastodon I would really appreciate it if you marked your account as a bot" - even if one only quote something from a Twitter source?
Links using
nitter.net/ or tweets.newsbots.eu/ allows one to see a referenced tweets without going to Twitter directly (see mas.to/@blueplanetslittlehelpe or posts by @Greenpeace).
A consistent hashtag to indicate retweeting would be useful, but #retweet is now sometimes used to indicate #boostplease.

@blueplanetslittlehelper @Greenpeace Ooh, got it! Thank you. Yes, that makes sense, I'm with you. I think there is no good general reason not to want to see any content originally from elsewhere, right?

@Matt_Noyes @nicksellen @mattcropp @Jon_Envisioneer @emi @michaelafisher I don’t cross post, I post to my Masto from my Micro.blog, as well as to Twitter.

And I also participate directly, of course.

I consider using Micro.blog as β€” essentially β€” a different kind of posting interface, where I have my own source original.

@nicksellen i wish they would juat stop supporting that communist Dorsey and not post any twttter crap at all.

@nicksellen I see.

From my perspective, this would break every reason why I started to cross-post in the first place.
My solution: please do not follow my account. This way, everybody is able to choose the way she/he is using their account.

@publicvoit I shared my wishes about the topic as I thought it's something that is not just something to think about on the personal/individual level, but also the impact it has for the wider community.

It's actually been my most boosted/favourited toot ever! So it touches something with people.

For me it makes sense to see my Mastodon instance first and foremost as a social community, and secondly as a technology or publishing mechanism.

@nicksellen Oh, I can follow your reasoning. I just wanted to add my opinion on the topic which differs.
And I do care about the community as well. Example: karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-

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