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I saw some kind of manifesto or principles for software design at some point and really liked it. But I'm chaotic with my link organising, so have no idea what/where it was.

It would have been some kind of participatory socially aware thing...

Any ideas?

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@El_joa thanks! that's not the one I am remembering though. it'll drive me crazy trying to think!

@nicksellen

Nice! How about putting a hashtag on it, so you will habe a better chance of finding it again next time?! ;-) #manifesto maybe?

@El_joa I went a bit further than that and re-evaluated my whole knowledge storage system, to try and avoid it happening again!

currently I'm using standard notes (with premium addons), plus randomly pasting links in different places (telegram self chat, etc), and I tried out the different editors (spreadsheet and markdown), but not content it'll work how I want.

I'm trying out zotero at the moment... nice to see it has a group collaboration mode too...

@nicksellen @El_joa you could try something like Trillium Notes github.com/zadam/trilium or QOwnNotes qownnotes.org/ - I've not actually tried either but I've seen that some people in the @cloudron community are using them.

@jdaviescoates thanks, it looks quite nice. I have seen it before actually. But tried to avoid the rabbit hole of personal knowledge management systems.

I get terribly unstructured with notes so I'm wondering if the resource first focus of zotero will help (you add notes to links and other resources, rather than add links to notes).

@El_joa

@nicksellen @El_joa ha, I saw this on my phone but now back on laptop just came here to say perhaps it was designjustice.org/read-the-pri but now you've found it already!

@nicksellen
From back in the days before the web and agile, there's Pelle Ehn's 1998 classic from the Scandinavian collective resource tradition, Work Oriented Design of Computer Artefacts
researchgate.net/publication/2
I tooted it here
social.coop/@mike_hales/103703
From the same stable, Greenbaum & Kyng 1991, Design at work
routledge.com/Design-at-Work-C
Not so much about software design, more about *work design* by workers. A shift that ought to make complete sense, still, today, even tho tech has changed?

@nicksellen
And coming up to the present day . .
Arturo Escobar *Designs for the pluriverse* dukeupress.edu/designs-for-the
Postcolonial globalSouth ecofeminist, indigeniferous design of vernacular tools for conviviality.
Nothing like so hands-on device- and mechanics-oriented as the Scandi stuff. Also kinda polysyllabic, irritating postmodern vibe, philosophical-idealist ๐Ÿ™„ Even so, a pivotal agenda, joins up with those other more materialist traditions. Why? Bcos its all about re-ontologising.

@mike_hales sounds great! tho after reading this review anthrodendum.org/2018/08/27/de I'm not sure I'll be able to understand it to apply it easily to what I'm trying to do now. I, possibly naively, feel I "get it" already. At least with a broad brush.

Bringing it into material reality is quite another thing. My "venues" for material reality at the moment are @karrot and local activity in Bath.

I am tempted, but resistant, to ascend into pure idea space. Too much dissonance with life!

@nicksellen
Escobar isnโ€™t *pure* idea. He has a long-standing practice of regional-indigenous resistance in Colombia. But heโ€™s been in academia a long time, channelling Foucault, etc. So, an unfortunate amount of idealist rhetoric (can be so with anthropologists?). Iโ€™ll toot more when Iโ€™ve seen the latter chapters, which promise to describe a practice. Whatever, imo itโ€™s a useful bridge between critical design traditions & postcolonial ecopolitics. Long hike from code hacking ๐Ÿ˜‰
@karrot

@mike_hales they're more than pure ideas to him, but other people's material actions are only ideas from everyone else's perspectives. I can only engage with the stories around his actions. Well, unless I went over to visit :)

I deeply love ideas, but I easily go too far in that direction, so need more counterbalancing action focus.

Even just walking around the garden looking at the plants feels more remote to me than reading principles and philosophies around plants!

@karrot

@nicksellen
This is interesting territory ๐Ÿ˜Š Iโ€™m walking around related issues just now, in building a pattern language, Alexander-style, of activist practice - to include, just for example, design- and code- and food- and commons- and decolonial- and postpatriarchy- and DisCO-activist practice.
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On one hand, โ€˜a patternโ€™ is only a description, under a proforma that enables descriptions to be readily compiled and compared. Subject to the kinds of issue you mention, of โ€˜ideasโ€™. But the framework is open to including rich, evocative, situated accounts (eg personal or historical or journalistic narratives, even travelogues and poems, even dramas).

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On the other hand, the language has a threefold framing:
- material landscape (out-there, unmediated by ideas),
- cultural landscape (out-there, mediated by understandings),
- aesthetic landscape (in-here, largely preconscious, in-the-body, available to awareness).
Descriptions of these - as descriptions - are limited in what they might communicate. But what they invoke & refer to & aim to trigger or facilitate can be very much wider.

Why pattern language? Base of โ€˜a collegeโ€™

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