Masculinity discourse, question to mostly men, boosts+ 

What is masculinity actually meant to be though? I think we have done some good work (which must continue!,) to gain understanding of what it should NOT be... but what SHOULD it be? Any opinions? (preferably from men/masc people, non-men welcome too). Asking *As A Men*.

Masculinity discourse, question to mostly men, boosts+ 

@restioson

The problem is that everything is so steeped in power relationships that it's hard to say anything positive about masculinity without sounding sexist. Like, because of binary oppositions, it sounds like anything good masculinity IS is something that femininity ISN'T.

Thus I don't know how to answer this question at all.

Masculinity discourse, question to mostly men, boosts+ 

@celesteh definitely. There's also the thing of like, if we want to abolish gender roles then what else do we leave in gender?

Masculinity discourse, question to mostly men, boosts+ 

@restioson
People like having genders, so gender roles will always exist. Our goal shouldn't be abolishment, but making them less restrictive and less binary

I also think it's an (completely understandable) error to view gender entirely in terms of power relationships. People don't transition in order to shift their positions within a power hierarchy. Some gender dysphoria is related more to social signalling than embodiment

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Masculinity discourse, question to mostly men, boosts+ 

@celesteh @restioson re: power relationships, I think it's important to distinguish "why people identify with men/women/etc." from "what is gender's function in society"

I think it's totally possible for gender to be fundamentally about power AND for people to transition for unrelated reasons

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