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So, if for nothing else than to help people learn from our mistakes, I'd like to start compiling accounts of the unravelling/failure of social.coop.

I will be reaching out to particular people over the next few days, but if anyone out there left/chose not to join social.coop for Reasons and would be willing to talk about it (anonymously if you want), please DM.

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Thank you very much, everyone who has replied so far!

As you may have heard political chaos has been unleashed on my city and there are several emergency meetings and protests and such over the next several days, so this is not like my #1 priority right now, but I will do my best.

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Update: I've created a pad here and will be adding to it in bits and pieces. pad.disroot.org/p/sc-debrief

I am a slow-ass writer and have other stuff going on, so please don't take lack of activity for neglect.

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@nev oh, It's sad to hear social.coop didn't work out!
what happened? (is there a summary anywhere?)

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@distel @nev same here

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@nev you know where to find me :D

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@nev Not for nothing, but the admin of kitty.town pointed out your CoC as giving cover to Nazis and the far right, fwiw. I don't have the post in front of me because I had shitcanned her instance a couple weeks ago.

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@nev I only remember it because I recognize your instance landing page when I went to go look at it, the last time I was on this page it was b/c she had federated out a toot that outed your CoC.

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@nev if you are in contact with @kittybecca who it looks like they may have left social media entirely her perspective and feedback seems like it might be valuable among others.

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Great. I do hope it includes a wiki timeline that we can all add to.

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@nev thanks for doing this - very valuable. I missed everything and I am one of the many members feeling mystified about all these accusations and allegations.

And not sure social.coop has failed just yet though - get messy sometimes, the online element has clearly made things more immediate and all the more visceral.

Increased to see why certain people left - reading between the lines there are people who left for contrary reasons!

Thanks again.

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@nev for reference @mayel @cathal @kawaiipunk

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@nev I've been thinking that the challenge we're having cohering a narrative to convey to people who were not in the moment is itself symptomatic of structural issues.

Because of the lack of formal delegated governance authority, any "official" narrative must be agreed to by a majority of the whole membership, and by 90% if anyone blocks. Which makes this work of listening that you're undertaking super important.

Thank you for doing it. 💙

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@mattcropp thank you. i think we are just kind of fumbling along

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@nev

Fumble, learn, grow.

This has hurt a lot, but I've been feeling my perspectives shifting as a result of the experience of the past few weeks.

What we're trying to make possible is strategically vital, and I remain committed to the work.

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@mattcropp @nev

Totally. Thank you both.

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@nev Thanks for doing this.

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@nev My perspective:

The problems on #socialcoop were already clearly visible back in June/July when I had my initial interactions. I decided to check it out after @eloquence and I had talked about it at #osbridge. At the time the CoC discussion was happening in a Google doc, and since I’ve got some expertise there I decided to contribute and see how the reaction was.

Here’s some of the discussion .

docs.google.com/document/d/1YN

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@jdp23 thank you very much!

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@nev
I would particularly like to see this. To make federated services better, we need to understand the causes of failures, and develop systems and strategies to help protect from them.

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@nev

so, is there a date for the closure of social.coop ?

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@deejoe @nev A decision to close has not been made yet. A vote for a reform proposal recently narrowly failed to pass, so now there's a two week window for a modified or alternative approaches to be advanced.

If one is not, or if that also fails to pass, I plan on proposing a process in which forking the co-op is a possible outcome.

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@nev I was considering moving to social.coop but wasn't sure it was the right place for my goofy outpourings and then the vague drama you've been talking about happened.

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@nev I think this is super important work! Well done, keep going.

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