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Don’t know much about it – given that the welfare state is probably kind of incongruous to anarchism, what alternatives for mutual aid does it provide?

@neil I have had similar thoughts lately. In an anarchist system, with no state regulation, wouldn't we just end up with large corporations in charge of the world with none of the checks or balances currently provided by the state?

However ineffective they currently are, unchecked corporate power would be far worse.

@iona I mean 'large corporations in charge of the world' doesn't sound that far off from where we are now, just a couple of steps removed.

But yes I'd like to learn more about how some of the more positive state interventions (health, economic regulation, driving on the same side of the road, etc), would be replicated in an anarchist model. I would guess that confederation would be part of the answer, but I'd love to hear from someone with some knowledge in this area - all new to me :)

@iona You might be interested in this article: "Third, coops may tend to self-enclose around their local or national membership. Doing this, they leave the global arena open to the domination by for-profit multinationals. These characteristics have to be changed, and can be changed today."

@neil cooperatives currently represent our best shot at attempting a decentralized, mutual-aid society. In fact, if a relevant share of the population became involved in coops, we might even try planned economy (the bottom-up kind, not the top-down, soviet one)

@neil not quite sure what you're getting at. Also, do you mean in theory/ideally, or in actual real-life situations?

When you say mutual aid I take it you mean people helping each other without anyone coordinating/ordering them?

@hardcorenarrativist Theoretically would be a good start, and if there's any real-world examples then even better.

I guess I mean by what means would anarchism provide for the sick, the elderly, those disadvantaged in some way. In a comprehensive way, i.e. no one is left behind.

@neil ah, sorry, I thought you meant the other way around! I thought you were asking alternatives for mutual aid in the context of a welfare state...

No idea then. But as it turns out, I'm really curious about the answer, too :-)