What’s the difference between [[digital commons]] and [[knowledge commons]]?

@neil
Enormous difference! Here's a (tendentious, materialist, contra-idealist) interpretation . .

Digital commons is a (the?) commons centred on digital media and digital devices - might include many kinds of automation, guidance of material systems, provisioning and transportation of material goods etc. bringing a major focus on the digital capability and literacy of the commoners. It's a material commons of code, devices, media, enabled and stewarded by cultural capability (aka skill)

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Knowledge commons is a misnomer bcos there is no such thing as knowledge. (!!)

What there IS/ARE is/are *practices* of knowing, communicating and organising.

So a 'knowledge commons' is a commons of literacy and (collective) labour power, thro which commoners are able to capably understand and organise their practical life as a commons, in a world of commons. It's a cultural commons.

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Latter (knowledge commons) has nothing necessarily to do with the digital - only contingently, in the present historical epoch of digitally mediated hegemony, digital media and the participation in power circuits of a Professional-managerial class.

Former (digital commons) has nothing especially to do with literacy, organising capacity & labour power - except that organising the digital - like organising *anything* that is even slightly complex - pivots on collective labour power.

@mike_hales Oh I like that statement of no such thing as knowledge... making it less about a 'thing' and more about actions/relations? Or the 'thing' is the practices?

What's a good way for commoners to share things they've learned with other commoners?

@neil @mike_hales also love the no such thing as knowledge, only knowledge practices. Where can I find out more about that?

@danbelascorogers Thanks. It's hard to pitch and sustain this kind of perspective, and I can't easily point to other places where it's up front in the same way. Culture is so saturated with idealist perceptions of 'knowledge' as 'a body' or as accumulatable 'stuff'.

A historical, materialist framing - centred on *practices* of people-in-culture - is difficult to arrive at in the face of such hegemonic stuff

I'll have a think about what I have online, that points my own path to this

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@mike_hales @neil thanks so much, I'll also browse the material you have on your owncloud.

@danbelascorogers
Here's some links - not necessarily just the thing you're looking for, but feel free . .
Public library
cloud.owncube.com/s/XanQpgwt9t
Books
cloud.owncube.com/s/PokD3rJToT
The foreword/preface/intro of 'Location' is one (analytical, 'work focused', 90s) place to start - a 'cultural materialist' project
cloud.owncube.com/s/3A8zKtdbQD
Counterpoint to the analytical stuff is in 'travelogue'
cloud.owncube.com/s/F8XgHRMKgE
A recent 'manifesto' is this piece for Robin Murray
cloud.owncube.com/s/QoJmNK7LaD
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@danbelascorogers
There's stuff in federated wiki too. Somewhat disorganised right now, and the wikis are not editable at present, tech glitch. But a start point is mh.federated.wiki
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> a good way for commoners to share things they've learned with other commoners?
There's stuff which ought to contain the principles of an answer, in the formaciòn monograph:
cloud.owncube.com/s/QoJmNK7LaD
See part#4, 'Dance of knowing' p36
and part#5, 'A college' p55

Work very much in-progress! And somewhat focused in a specific community of new-economy activism; a posthumous dialogue with economist Robin Murray.

The pattern language angle is general. So is formaciòn.
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@neil
I'll have a think about these . . a bit busy right now ;-) Prompt me if I don't respond in a week or so?

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