Puzzled . . @mako makes a clear pitch on "Free software production needs free tools" youtube.com/watch?v=U_nK6nP_RC
And is very clear on and (though says most code comes from solo not collaboration!). Yet not a hint of coop ownership of to keep tools honest & open (GitHub!). Surely tools today become platforms? And platforms require collaboration even if code doesn't? So why doesn't follow automatically, as we talk tools? How does libre not equal coop in FLOSS world?

@mike_hales @mako Most coop people don't understand software, let alone Free Software. Most Free Software people don't understand coops. The intersection of these two groups is tiny, but hopefully growing.

What I would like to see would be more people interested in learning, and less people trying to impose their very particualr views on the other camp.

The implied assumption that Free Software projects can't possibly stay honest is indicative that a lot more work is needed.

@mako @mike_hales Free Software was built to free people from their shackles. Free Software was almost exclusively built by Free Software people. It would be a good thing if people arrived into the world of Free Software with humble aspirations to learn how the Free Software collaborative mode of production came into being in its 30+ years of existence, and undeniable success.

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@h @mako Exactly. That's why I learned so much from two deep-history talks by @mako today, and we've been batting toots around for the past hour. Thanks :)

Oh BTW I'm a newbie in the coops too (My background is corporate subversion, rather than self-sufficient cooperation.) So the intersection between the two communities is even thinner than you thought @h ;)

I really AM going to bed now . .

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