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I am once again, for maybe the 20th time, polling the room for any cultural histories of or , in the vein of Lindsay Poirier's "a turn for the scruffy," or more primary documents like blogs or mailing lists or anything you've got!!!! I have some of the broad outlines, but my overriding question is always "what the heck happened" THANK YOU !/

@derwinmcgeary
will check it out!!!!! basically "what went wrong?" like I know a fair bit about the corporate capture side and the emergence of oligopolies, but the more I wade around in these ideas it just seems like it should have worked regardless, but I just don't see really any of the stuff like linked data platform ever existing, everything is frozen in time half-developed... what was the story inside the semweb world that kept it from taking off yano?

@derwinmcgeary
and I also know that there is literally a ton of projects that are still chugging along today, but it seems odd how hard they are to find and how mutually uncoordinated they are given the entire notion was a more expressive and powerful linking system! and where are the dang interfaces! like it feels like a really basic simple means of declaring links and schemas and sharing and iterating like what LDP was supposed to be would go a long way

@derwinmcgeary
I get this sort of background feeling that TimBLs fixation on needing everything to be URIs as opposed to something not dependent on DNS resolution/seeming disinterest in p2p/the dream of having relatively few schemas that are globally shared/etc. might have been a factor but no one wants to write about that, it's sort of like he disappears into Solid and I just don't hear much from him again

@derwinmcgeary
but im also sort of casting around an understanding that's probably false with the good old fashioned intent of inviting someone to come tell me I'm wrong

@jonny I remember writing semantic markup and styling it with CSS (might even have been proper XML with a XLST transformation), and there being a vague promise that it would add more SEO juice, but I don't remember the tools being available to do that as a default, so it was hobbyist geek noodling for me. Maybe the real issue was the ascendancy of PageRank where it was about the quantity of links rather than the quality of data, but "quantity has a quality all of its own" and Google-style ranking was unreasonably effective for long enough that the alternatives withered.

@derwinmcgeary
yeah I see the relationship to search swallowing up the more labor intensive semantic linking idea, and I think that's related to the insistence on using a small number of uniform schema so that it could be computed over rather than emphasizing tools for making local vocabularies that might actually be uh possible to use.

all caps for Christs sake 

@derwinmcgeary
but it's a damn GRAPH. it literally is the ROOT WORD of GRAPHICAL. how was an INTERFACE for visualizing and DRAWING LINKS and having a little PALLET of vocabularies and classes and properties not the VERY FIRST THING that was done????

all caps for Christs sake 

@derwinmcgeary
people _do not want to write XML_ and they never will!

all caps for Christs sake 

@derwinmcgeary
judging by the way the web design issues page STILL LOOKS it seems relatively clear to me, like, love ya buddy, but TimBL needed a project manager or something!!!!!

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