One of the big things I'm taking-away so far reading the platform -op book is that we really need a standards-based reputation/identity system.

I remember reading some protocol-level work on this a few years back when I was getting into architectures.

Clearly something that demands a decentralized approach.

@jjg as far as i can tell decentralized identity is really difficult. I think a big reason for the success of things like slack or facebook is that centralization helps control spam

@alienghic I thought facebook and slack were the *definition* of spam... ;)

Seriously though the approaches I remember revolved around hosting your identity on your own webserver under the same domain as your own email server and email was used as the identity "handle" (assuming I remember it correctly).

I've run my own email for years and see far less spam than I did when I used gmail/google apps, surprisingly.

@jjg cost of domain and difficulty running servers puts identity solutions based on that out of the reach of most people. I regularly see anonymous spammers on irc, something i don't on slack. Part of your less spam on your home domain may be due to others not finding it. I was getting away with pretty simple antispam techniques until i started contributing to Debian.

@alienghic Obscurity is certainly a factor, but I disagree that cost/difficulty are limiting factors.

I think a lot of effort has gone into convincing people that they are incapable of owning & operating these services but it's nothing compared to some of the other systems people consider essential (automobiles, for example).

@jjg Also I'm not saying decentralized identity is impossible, I think its harder than centralized identity.

I also tend to think people interested in FOSS tend to underestimate how many people have no interest in learning how technology works.

After hearing of the success of framasoft, I've been wondering if instead of targeting end users, those of us interested in reducing the power of Google/Facebok should be developing software targeting community groups.

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@alienghic I hope my responses don’t come off as dismissive, I agree that with the current state of these things it is beyond most folks to manage them.

My point is that if we (the technical types) can define standard protocols (RFC-level stuff) for these functions, we can start to build consumer-grade tools that empower users without exploring them.

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