One of the big things I'm taking-away so far reading the platform -op book is that we really need a standards-based reputation/identity system.

I remember reading some protocol-level work on this a few years back when I was getting into architectures.

Clearly something that demands a decentralized approach.

@jjg as far as i can tell decentralized identity is really difficult. I think a big reason for the success of things like slack or facebook is that centralization helps control spam

@alienghic I thought facebook and slack were the *definition* of spam... ;)

Seriously though the approaches I remember revolved around hosting your identity on your own webserver under the same domain as your own email server and email was used as the identity "handle" (assuming I remember it correctly).

I've run my own email for years and see far less spam than I did when I used gmail/google apps, surprisingly.

@jjg cost of domain and difficulty running servers puts identity solutions based on that out of the reach of most people. I regularly see anonymous spammers on irc, something i don't on slack. Part of your less spam on your home domain may be due to others not finding it. I was getting away with pretty simple antispam techniques until i started contributing to Debian.

@alienghic Obscurity is certainly a factor, but I disagree that cost/difficulty are limiting factors.

I think a lot of effort has gone into convincing people that they are incapable of owning & operating these services but it's nothing compared to some of the other systems people consider essential (automobiles, for example).

@jjg Automobiles are a good example. They're quite expensive, and they're mostly black boxes.

End users are at the mercy of the mechanics. Very few people can work on a modern car.

My boss once showed up with a small plastic square with an antenna on it she found behind her rear view mirror. We researched and found dealerships are hiding RFID tags on cars so they can greet people by name.

The computer equivalent is probably being a windows 10 user. (Trading money & privacy for ease of use)

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I think you just described Slack & Facebook :)

I don't think it has to be all or nothing. I think it's possible to design technology that gives people control over their tools & identity and doesn't over-burden them at the same time.

Of course if you delegate that work to capitalists they are going to assert their extractive nature on the solution and convince everyone that doing so is essential.

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