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If Mozilla was serious about letting users turn off the CloudFlare DNS anti-feature, they'd make it an opt-in option in Preferences.

They wouldn't bury it in an about:config option with an obscure name and require the user to set it to, for some reason, "5" to turn it off.

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@iona That's my thinking, exactly. Safari leaks via Google Safe Browsing, but that's a simple checkbox in the prefs, not some shell-grade wizardry.

@porsupah I spend most of my days in the browser and would literally pay money for one that respected my privacy and worked well.

@iona I did, once upon a time: OmniWeb, one of the very first browsers anywhere, given a new lease of life when OPENSTEP morphed into Mac OS X. Sadly, ultimately, it also fell by the wayside - not enough people actually wanted to pay. I still use it, but Safari's increasingly the go-to instead. Other than the Safe Browsing, which can be turned off, it's a browser I don't have to worry about using - Apple makes its money selling devices, not people's data.

@porsupah I did as well, Opera many years ago could be paid for. There was a freebie version that ran banner ads at the top of the browser window, and the paid version didn't.

Safari doesn't exist on non-Mac platforms. There has to be a market for a paid-for browser for power users who spend their days in the browser. Marketed well, I think it could work these days. It'd never be a mass-market thing, but would get enough users to be viable.

@iona Epiphany, for Linux: webkit.org/downloads/

I wonder if an independently funded browser could be financially viable? It's possible, leveraging an existing engine. I wonder if there are any Windows-based WebKit browsers? The solution may already exist for that market, simply eclipsed by the major players.

@porsupah @iona

The problem with WebKit based thingies is that they tend to be quite bad at keeping them in sync, so you get stuck with old WebKit versions and security holes.

In that category, though, Otter Browser is inspired by old versions of Opera and seems decent enough. There are weekly builds available for Windows. Midori seems to run on Windows too.

@scarlett @iona Otter? I can go for that. ^_^ I'd give it a try right now, but that would mean getting up, and it's far too damned hot for that much exertion. =:P I used Opera a bit, and got on fine with it - can't be worse than Firefox's obsession with reworking the UI every other release.

@iona except its only in firefox nightly, which is specifically intended for users with this sort or know how / interest.

@caribou Who are you and why do you only ever reply to me? Posting this publicly because I am asking in front of everyone.

@iona I don't. Though admittedly the last few have been, but you must have posed some interesting/funny links. Or things that interested me. If your toots are rhetorical, dont worry I'll leave you be from now. s

@iona Which settings do I have to change in order to "opt-out" as it were?

@iona I mean, they also don't have the font setting or auto zoom setting for all pages setting easily available. There could definitely be some improvements there, with what's hidden features and what's easily accessible.

@maloki This is why I think a paid-for "power user" browser might be a viable thing, with shitloads of options visible to the user.

It'd never be what your grandad uses to get on Facebook and BBC Sport but I'm sure it'd have a cult following a bit like Old Opera before it became a Chrome skin.

@iona hmm. Not sure. I'm more on the "let's make features easily accessible to users who want to look at the settings, but also give advanced users indication of where they can go from there".

@iona

Do you have a minute to talk about mozilla SHIELD studies?
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@iona 5 might be the fifth option it's a pretty new thing and cloudflare afaik isn't the only one that will be able to provide this dns over https

@iona

Cloudflare is a for profit company, so either Cloudflare is taking all this traffic for free out of the goodness of its heart, or it's leveraging this data to make money somehow.
What do you think?