"We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings."
- Ursula K. Le Guin

@ike The trick is to come up with something better, instead of just demanding change.

@deshipu it takes imagination and courage! imagination to dream new possibilities, and courage to try them out.

@ike I think that historically it has mostly taken desperation and luck.

@ike capitalism is a general term encompassing all versions of economical systems with private ownership on of means of production. think about it, and tell me what are the alternatives. you see, i've lived in a non-capitalism, and it doesn't work in the long run: it slowly destroys the society from within in many ways =(

@tivasyk I think capitalism also slowly destroys society from within, increasing *competition and artificial scarcity*.

I want to encourage imagination, experimentation, and being excellent to each other. We should imagine an alternative that promotes *cooperation and abundance*.

Personally, I believe that the best way to do this is to create small examples of cooperation and abundance in your own life: sharing resources with neighbors, etc.

@ike you didn't read attentively enough… how does private property for production means limit someone's imagination, experimentation etc.? your're not talking of capitalism per se, you're talking about the way society works. it's not capitalism that's to blame. you either private permit ownership of capital (it's called capitalis) or you don't (it's someting else, depending on who owns them). that's it.

@tivasyk well, I believe that private capital tends to create artificial scarcity, and artificial scarcity limits imagination, experimentation, etc.

Here's an overview that I mostly agree with:

@ike ok. unless you mean collective ownership there, everyone has the the right to own it. it's exactly what capitalism is about. what's the problem than?

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