**Resident hypertext crank** @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe · Jun 30, 2018, 14:04

**Resident hypertext crank** @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe · Jun 30, 2018, 14:04

Resident hypertext crank @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe

Oh hey look what popped up on my feed:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PulpLibrarian/status/1012770446129926145

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 16:34

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 16:34

@enkiv2 Now a real challenge for retro-computing enthusiasts would be to find a working French Minitel and find a way to put it to work via telnet over the internet.

**DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab** @djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology · Jun 30, 2018, 16:35

**DJ Sundog - from the toot-lab** @djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology · Jun 30, 2018, 16:35

@h @enkiv2 I'm trying but I keep getting sniped on auctions

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 16:36

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 16:36

@djsundog I knew we could count on you :-)

@enkiv2

**Resident hypertext crank** @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe · Jun 30, 2018, 16:57

**Resident hypertext crank** @enkiv2@eldritch.cafe · Jun 30, 2018, 16:57

@h @djsundog
Is that significantly harder than ceefax?

h @h · 2018-06-30T17:01:21Z

h @h

@enkiv2 I don't know. If I had to guess, I think French retro tech didn't get spread around the world as much. I think Aussies and other former colonies got access to BBC micro and Sinclair. It's not unthinkable that other devices from that era enjoyed a similar destiny.
I got lucky to use a Minitel when I was little, but that wasn't normal for most people.

@djsundog

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**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:05

**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:05

@h @djsundog @enkiv2

AFAIK Minitel used a standard CEPT viewdata protocol but would have different characters for accents (probably where some brackets/arrows are on UK versions of viewdata character sets).

Over a telephone line Viewdata used 1200bps downstream and 75bps upstream (as analogue phone circuits were often very noisy until 1990s), I'm not sure if the serial port on the back of many units had to use the same or could use 1200bps for both RX and TX...

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 17:06

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 17:06

@djsundog @enkiv2

I was able, however, to buy me a ZX Spectrum much later, with the hard earned salary of my first job ever. (selling onions, hahah)

**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:38

**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:38

@h @djsundog @enkiv2

TBH I think it was the Alice computer which didn't turn up much outside France, there was already the Tandy equivalent for USA and (briefly) the similar Dragon 32 in the UK.

Whereas some Minitel terminals were made by Philips and also used by PTT Netherlands for their domestic viewdata service, as well as for BT Prestel (especially with an interlinked experimental home banking system in the UK).

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 17:43

h @h · Jun 30, 2018, 17:43

@vfrmedia That's interesting. I didn't remember there were Philips Minitels. It makes sense that they would have deployed them in Belgium as well, without need of translation on the French side, and using the Dutch version on the Flemish side.

@enkiv2 @djsundog

**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:59

**Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK** @vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de · Jun 30, 2018, 17:59

to be fair it was in the era where such equipment was usually rented from the national telecom provider, and often carried its branding as well as (sometimes instead of) the OEM, and/or the contract did not specify a certain make (e.g in FR some terminals were made by Alcatel, I also remember seeing viewdata terminals in libraries (connected to a local network to search the book catalogue and sometimes community info) made by other European and Japanese OEMs..

@djsundog @enkiv2