@kate Looks like they're desperate for funds. It is alarming, and we should support ff somehow.
If ff fails, the web will remain chromium-only (except maybe caves of gemini). That would leave google alone to set all the rules. Somewhat doomsday scenario. So don't be too picky and keep supporting ff. If they fail in funding, we all will get ads in chromium address bar or something worse.

@dudenas @kate As far as I'm concerned Google is already setting all the rules!

I wish Mozilla the best of luck in holding this back as long as possible, but unfortunately they find themselves having to make these compromises. I don't think they can do what it takes to save the web without losing what influence they still have...

@alcinnz @kate

Another thing - open source software, especially as crucial as ff, can be clearly classified as public good. It is weird how there is no political will to appreciate and fund it. At least in countries I see. Is it because there is no demand from voters? Maybe there is demand, but not yet articulated?

> I It is weird how there is no political will to appreciate and fund it. At least in countries I see. Is it because there is no demand from voters? Maybe there is demand, but not yet articulated?

I tried to do my bit by emailing the tech spokespeople in NZ political parties a link to Nadia Eghbal's 'Roads and Bridges' report, with a bit of contextualizing comment about why it's important they read it.

fordfoundation.org/media/2976/

@dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict @humanetech

#NadiaEghbal #funding

@strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict @humanetech

Except that roads and bridges are not exactly virtual or electronic infrastructure, just to add to the confusion.. Tell a politician about virtualization and they immediately think about money.

@strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict @humanetech
@aral
Perhaps the Common Browser proposal should open with the line: The Common Browser Programme is not about money.

@strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict @humanetech @aral

So far just the idea has been floated, but apparently the need for it will become real. I would be very interested in this, also as an antidote to those who claim that open source is automagically commons, because most of the open sources have not been created by commoners. (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_O )

@gert @strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict @aral

Slightly OT.. I saw that Drew Devault started working on visurf, based on NetSurf and intends to create a HTML + CSS framework specifically targeted to smaller browsers as 1st-class citizens.

drewdevault.com/2021/09/11/vis

@humanetech @gert @strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict Sadly, without client-side (you know, the side YOU control) JavaScript, it can’t be used to implement small web sites (how are you going to ensure your keys are held only by you?) The problem is trusting servers. Client-side JS that you own and control, if you can verify the source, isn’t the problem, it’s actually the solution to protecting your privacy on the web.

@aral @humanetech @gert @strypey @dudenas @alcinnz @kate @onepict

The key point here is ”if you can verify the source”. This is in practice impossible, and JS is executed as the page loads. We can’t expect people to inspect the source code of every page before rendering.

I don’t see why JS is needed to implement small sites. I only use it for warmedal.se/~wobbly/ and even then only for a nicer UX. It could as well have been an ordinary web form.

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