@iona @gc And using Cloudflare just grows another gigantic surveillance apparatus that's eating our privacy and democracy. There really is a case for appliance servers for small self-hosts, and it's often (not always!) an improvement over centralisation. Just.. Try to use European servers. :)

@cathal @gc I use an outfit called Bytemark - they (and their servers) are based in Yorkshire, they pay their staff at least the living wage, they have a good diversity policy and support free software projects financially and with hosting.

Much easier than trying to host at home, with the high cost of power in Britain and the dynamic IPs and slow upload speeds we suffer (100Mb down/6Mb up for me!).

I have a Pi as an internal server but it doesn't host anything accessible to the world.

@iona @gc I hope that part of all of this talk about #selfhosting leads to people talking about reasonable VPS solutions too. I personally use Dropbox non-private-but-distributed-backup stuff. And at least in the US, lots of people have slow upstream rates too so for anything other than personal access you need to talk about how to configure rate limiting on your router.

@trini @iona @gc

This is a fascinating discussion. I'm just now starting to experiment with #freedombox and #yunohost as a #selfhosting solution. The decentralization argument I was aware of - the green/maintenance/security arguments I hadn't considered.

@Argus @iona @gc and I really don't want to downplay doing stuff physically locally. Things like security are solvable. But it's also like backups. You want a local backup, but you don't want only local backup.