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A Revolution In Your Pocket -

"There is a world within reach where always-on, always-connected pocket computers become personal data stores. All your photos, documents, messages, and other data live with you, not on a faceless server belonging to a random corporation."
rbs.io/2019/05/a-revolution-in

@dazinism Good opening but fizzled out with the prognosis if phones becoming platforms for personal computing. The nerds might want that but the nerds are a special breed of human and their aesthetic doesn't generalize.

@davidk01
Interested in your thoughts.
I see more & more people using phones and/or tablets for most of the stuff they used to do on a PC. This includes me - my laptop use has dwindled gradually over the last decade as my smart phones have become more capable, more apps developed & websites optimised for the screen size

@dazinism I see the same trend and in theory phones are computers so there is no reason they couldn't be used as such. I also see some folks talking about edge computing and investors have gotten a whiff of it which means the potential will be corrupted and subverted to serve VC needs. I doubt the open source and software freedom folks will figure out how to mitigate the subversion and we'll be stuck with ads and spyware on our phones for the foreseeable future.

@davidk01

From where I'm sitting I already see solutions

and , both state of the art operating systems, designed to provide privacy and security on state of the art hardware

Theres a fair amount of interest in LineageOS and /e/

Stuff like also point to interest in privacy respecting mobiles, although I'm not completely sure its a great move, from a security perspective, to port Linux operating systems onto mobile

Of course… 1/2

@davidk01 theres every chance any/all these projects will fail to see any kind of mass adoption, although some (eg. LineageOS) have many users and Librem5 and /e/ crowdfunders indicated high support

iPhobes and Androidβ„’ (android devices with Google Play Services) are certain to continue to dominate mobiles for some time ahead

Globally there are some exceptions, some countries most mobile devices run forks without Play- although I expect they are loaded with alternative bloat/spyware.

@dazinism So if I were to ask you for timelines on 10% market saturation of open source phones what estimates would you give? Would it happen in the next decade?

@davidk01

Wonder how you are defining 'open source phone'?

Not sure exactly how the figures stack up but many android devices are capable of running alternative OSs - although they all need blobs for hardware drivers

Slight possibility that its 10% of smart phones that could run open source OSs already?

I note that Samsung made it possible to unlock the bootloader on the S9 Galaxy, but
Huawei changed a while back so none of their devices have a unlockable bootloader

@dazinism I mean no binary blobs and freedom to tinker and customize as needed.

@davidk01
You mean devices that Free Software Foundation would certify as Respect Your Freedom?
fsf.org/resources/hw/endorseme

Problem with RYF is all phones will have proprietary stuff- firmware etc.
Its very likely that vulnerabilities will be found and IIUC security fixes will not be possible. iPhones & Android devices regularly have such firmware security updates. (So do PCs)
Allowing such software on the device & then not allowing security updates feels like a weird arbitrary harmful position

@davidk01

I kind of think android devices that can run alternative open source operating systems are probably as good & close to being 'openΚΎ as any other phone we are likely to see within 10 years

I dont imagine anything that some may consider more open is likely to gain any significant market share

I'd like to see open 'phones' with verifiable hardware, running an fully open stack, but presently that feels like a long long way off - something of a dream

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