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Doug Belshaw ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บโ˜ ๏ธโœŠ @dajbelshaw

After a having a mostly-FLOSS phone (LineageOS + F-Droid) I seem to have slowly acquiesced to Google over the last year with this OnePlus 5.

I'd like to go back to my freedom-loving ways with a modern phone (i.e. takes great photos, has good battery life).

Does anyone have recommendations?

(FYI I've tried LineageOS on this device but it only accesses a single camera)

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@dajbelshaw the pixel 2 xl is a phenomenal phone, half the reason i got it was the camera. i highly recommend the pixel line, thought they don't have any official lineageOS builds. i know there was an unofficial build for the original pixel but i'm not sure if they have one fore the pixel 2 yet.

@ctrlaltdog Sounds like it wouldn't be much of an alternative then! Thanks anyway.

@dajbelshaw I have a Moto G5 Plus with LineageOS 14.1 with F-Droid (no GApps) and works like a charm (it's an unofficial build thou).

People talk wonders about the Xiami Redmi Note 4, which is officially supported.

On the high-end side, you have the Galaxy S9, which is also one of the few officially supported by 15.1.

@slp Thanks! Good knowledge. I like our Xiaomi Mi Pad 3 (but that's still running stock)

@dajbelshaw I'm with Lineage OS on Xiaomi Mi 5S. I didn't update for eternity (need to install new software) but it was super smooth so far, everything works

My dad has Mi 1 and it's a wonderful phone too and very cheap as well. I think it should play with custom ROM nice.
Anyway, I recommend checking official pages for supported phones

@dajbelshaw I've seen a list of supported devices somewhere on the LineageOS website.

@Graham_Mitchell Thanks! I'm familiar with the LineageOS wiki (I've run it on a few devices) but wondered if people had specific recommendations.

Life is too short for XDA forum scrolling these days... ๐Ÿ™ƒ

@alanz The distance (main) one. And OK, but not as good as with the OnePlus firmware.

@dajbelshaw

That was my experience of lineage OS on an earlier OnePlus as well.

And then I hit bootloader / binary blob issues.

@alanz With Google's recent announcements it's going to make 'unofficial' Android development more difficult.

Such a shame that FirefoxOS never took off.

@alanz @dajbelshaw ah, I see now, it's about Play Services. Time to abandon this spyware I guess...

@charlag

I was thinking about this, and the progress being made on @fdroidorg .

Maybe this will turn out to be a good thing, and we end up with a properly free mobile o/s.

@dajbelshaw

@alanz @dajbelshaw @fdroidorg as long as Google has all the control on development it's not feasible.
We have GNU+Linux, we just need to adapt it to mobile and that's what Purism and DE teams do I believe
(And also Postmarket OS)

@charlag

I've been using CopperheadOS for a couple of years and I've found Open Camera works well.
Its a really nice OS. Many nice extras ontop vanilla AOSP.

Sadly a bit expensive to get a Pixel

Apparently there will be European resellers soon who will offer a 'flash your phone' service (guess thatd be $200ish)

Also heard rumors Google will be doing a budget Pixel this year??

No Play stuff, but I never used the Google ecosystem so no problem for me.

@alanz @dajbelshaw @fdroidorg

@dazinism @fdroidorg @dajbelshaw @alanz the biggest problem with lack of Play Services is not Google services per se but push notifications and Play Market

@charlag
Its totally possible (and probably a very good thing) to code alternatives to Googles push services.

conversations.im does this well

Why use anything from Play Store when theres all that wonderful software on ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

If you do need that, theres Yalp on FDroid thats supposed to work well or Amazons app store, which doesnt take over your whole OS and spy on you the same way Play Services does.

Ive installed that in a 2nd android user for Skype & Zoom
@fdroidorg @dajbelshaw @alanz

@dazinism

By the way, @matrix is mentoring a #GSoC (oh the irony) project to replace #push. Not sure what the latest status is, but they've been considering a universal push replacement that can be installed as an app.

@alanz @dajbelshaw @fdroidorg @charlag

@charlag @alanz Just tried to re-find the link (sure I favourited / re-tooted) but basically seems (c.f. announcement at Google I/O) that their 'Advanced Protection' feature only available to devices that they fully control.

@dajbelshaw I think it's nearly impossible to get really good photos on a FLOSS phone, because all the good camera software/drivers are proprietary. That said, Open Camera has given me decent results in the past (though I'm not using it on my current, multicamera device for similar reasons).