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I don't think the goal should be for the Fediverse to "beat" Twitter. I think it's okay if Twitter were to just go away (or not). The Fediverse can be its own thing without having to "win" or somehow "defeat" Twitter. Even if Twitter closes up and none of those people came here, the Fediverse is doing fine. Those users should scatter to the social media winds to meet their undoubtedly diverse needs. If some land here, great. If most don't, that's fine.

On "winning" social media 

(I'm putting aside discussion about how unhealthy profit driven social media companies like Twitter and Facebook are for their users and society. That's a related but different topic.)

On "winning" social media 

I'm just going to place this post from @eloquence here who said it much better than I did back in 2020:

write.as/eloquence/why-mastodo

On "winning" social media 

@cstanhope The fediverse wins if the people using it find that they're happier because they're using it.

It's not a numbers game.

On "winning" social media 

@liw @cstanhope I think its a bit of a number's game; I'd like it to be big and recognisable enough that any regular person might consider it. That its not too weird if your main social is on fedi. That people who care about the problems of big, algorithm fed social media could routinely at least try it. That public institutions might at least crosspost here.

But just to reach that kind of critical mass. It doesn't have to *win* the numbers game.

On "winning" social media 

@takloufer @liw I think that's mostly okay and certainly de-emphasizes the typical corporate winner take all thinking. However I don't know how to define "regular" person nor how to make sure we don't seem weird to this group, but I certainly know that I don't want us to chase critical mass at the expense of the people who have found (and made) the fediverse a nice place to be.

Perhaps the nature of how this place is put together will allow this to happen. I hope so.

On "winning" social media 

@takloufer@scholar.social @liw@toot.liw.fi @cstanhope@social.coop in my opinion, something like "too weird to be your main social media" sounds like something twitter would say. i dont think its "weird", its just a quite different approach.

On "winning" social media 

@Johann150 @liw @cstanhope

re weird: no sure, didn't mean that someone would say this place or program is somehow weird, but just that it's a thing you'd have to explain or get a blank stare.

Say you some1 ask for a contact. If I said I'm mostly active on fb, or on twitter or insta, or even a tiktok nowdays, they'd just nod. If I said I'm on this thing called fediverse, well I've got some explaining to do.

On "winning" social media 

@liw @cstanhope
although I do love when 'brr number go up' of federation statistics

On "winning" social media 

@liw @cstanhope @TheGibson yeah, that. Of course, to some extent, user count is _an indicator_ of whether people like it here or no. but that’s all it is. unlike a profit oriented social network, where Number Must Go Up or the investors riot, there’s no need to explicitly target it as a metric and do weird dark pattern crap.

In the end, if the only users were me and like 5 people I like talking to, that’d be enough users to make running an instance worthwhile.

re: On "winning" social media 

@halcy @liw @cstanhope

Boostenlikes go brrrr...

On "winning" social media 

@liw @cstanhope not being dragged down by the :birdsite:-feed of doom is a huge relief in itself. Really happy with the fediverse so far

On "winning" social media 

@liw @cstanhope This. I'm still new here, but I think there's actually more to be lost by "winning" against Twitter than would be gained.

I don't want all the toxic people, right wing politicians and influencers here.

Let the fediverse be the home of those who don't want to be a part of that, all the brilliant, weird people.

Just people talking about what they want, not what they think they should want to talk about.

On "winning" social media 

@cstanhope
In the mid 90s I really, really *really* wanted linux to 'win' over microsoft.
It didn't really matter, b/c within a few years there was enough interest to sustain a very happy and thriving eco-system anyhow.
Besides, linux has clearly 'won' over µsoft: billions of devices in the hands of normal ppl (android), used by even more billions (most websites).
Won, but not in any way I imagined.
And it is *still* not the Year of Linux on the Desktop!! :-)
Except ours, of course :-)

On "winning" social media 

@gemlog Yes, that's another good example of where the same kind of thinking can be found. I can't deny that corporate interest in Linux has helped the desktop (drivers etc.), but either way, it doesn't need to "win" to be worthwhile and to be successful to the people who use it and rely on it.

On "winning" social media 

@cstanhope profit driven social media should die. Those who hate it as much as I do should be on fedi. Those who just wanna be the next iteration of it (cryptocurrency advocates) should go somewhere else where I can ignore them.

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@ailurocrat @cstanhope When i read these first words, I really wonder how „profit“ and „social“ can exist in a single term while being the default situation…
It should be common sense, that these two words are the exact opposite.

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@beejay I can't favorite your post 100 times. Instead let me offer: 💯

On "winning" social media 

@cstanhope there've been *so many* news articles about the fediverse that say it's falling apart or doomed or whatever and i'm pretty sure the people writing those have no idea what it actually is or what its goals are
-F

On "winning" social media 

@cstanhope now I finally understand what fediverse is! Thx 2 #wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedivers

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@tvc Yeah, I forget it's a bit of jargon. Sorry 'bout that. Maybe you can get that link added to the landing page of the wiki associated with your instance:

ioc.wiki/mastodon

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