DisCOs looks really interesting:

'DisCOs are a P2P/Commons, cooperative and Feminist Economic alternative to Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (or DAOs).'


'...a set of organisational tools and practices for groups of people who want to work together in a cooperative, commons-oriented, and feminist economic form.'


h/t social.coop/@ckohtala

@neil I like a lot of the words/ideas there, but couldn't understand with a few minutes browsing what the "Distributed Ledger/Blockchain tech" bit means and why it's needed, in general I'm very skeptical of those things, so need a bit more convincing on them. I guess it's buried in the longer manifesto somewhere. disco.coop/manifesto/

Did you understand anything about that?

@nicksellen @neil
I've read the manifesto and can help. Chapter 2 p. 21:
"As we’ve hinted, DisCOs or Distributed Cooperative Organizations are our way of rescuing the baby from the DAO bathwater. If DAOs have arguably been individualistic, techno-deterministic and male dominated (a persistent complaint against the tech world), the Distributed Cooperative Organization proposes corrective measures by prioritizing *mutual support*, *cooperativism* and *care work among people*.

@nicksellen @neil
p. 26
"... further down the speculative rabbit hole of dystopian machine-porn, we could encounter this: a *self-sufficient* artificial intelligence running *autonomously* on a *decentralized* system and programmed to advance certain values and interests, which would be virtually impossible for outsiders to hold accountable.

"On the other hand, we can start creating organizations which are both distributed and cooperative in nature."

@nicksellen @neil
Chap 5 p 50
"The International Cooperative Alliance’s sixth cooperative principle is “Cooperation among Co-ops.” While this ideal is honoured by some cooperatives and ignored by others, there are no simple plug-and-play mechanisms that assure that cooperation will concretely materialise. This is where the alleged value disruption promised by blockchain proponents can take a more associationist turn." ...

@nicksellen @neil
..."Instead of helping those with the most computing power become decentralized capitalists, DisCO’s cultural and structural frameworks can help solidarity movements learn to cooperate at the large scale while maintaining small-group trusted dynamics. What we are describing here is a continuum from trustless as the default norm at the large scale to trustworthy as highly feasible at the small."

@nicksellen @neil
p 53 "Earlier we mentioned the fluid dialectic between culture and structure that defines all commons. If a DisCO’s care orientation is an example of the former, how can we encode this into technological and legal structures to ensure that the culture thrives?
What we propose for the information and value tracking in a DisCO is a platform that acts as a shared information repository for the cooperative, which we’ll call a “community algorithmic trust” (CAT)."

@ckohtala @neil thanks for extracting those bits! I appreciate it 👍

> “community algorithmic trust” (CAT)

can community trust be subject to an algorithm? can we ever record and understand enough information about it to apply algorithmic logic? my feeling is not.

less abstractly, much of my work (or value) will never be recorded anywhere because I don't want to write it all down.

Context for my thinking: social.coop/@nicksellen/102903 - we have our first monthly "payday call" this month.

@ckohtala @neil I really like the general stuff I read on disco.coop/about/ though - I am hoping for an organizational model that I can show to other people I work in projects with (who are less interested in this stuff as a topic on it's own) and say "hey, can we be one of these?".

I think I kind of want the DisCO model, but without the Distributed Ledger bit, but I think that is a main bit of the concept!

@nicksellen @neil
how about if the DLT part is more to help groups connect in larger networks.
if your scale is small (embedding trust implicitly) then the distributed ledge bit is not needed?

@ckohtala @neil exactly 👍 to me the trust comes from other sources (e.g. in person), and I like working/being in high trust environments.

Can I opt of the Distributed Ledger bit and it still makes sense?

If you're interested, I could explain exactly what all these contexts actually are... it's not an abstract question to me.

.. I think I should actually read the whole manifesto too ⭐


@nicksellen @neil
to me it makes perfect sense (to opt out). the key is to be transparent about any infrastructure you set up - what *values* it represents and what it makes visible and invisible. that is how I interpret it. what in the organizational structure is decentralized or distributed, how, why - and how this is visible in (designed into) the org infra. how are principles of feminist economics designed in. what is the value for actors. etc.

@nicksellen @neil
the lead-in for the manifesto is here

I took the time to read the whole thing and explore some of the (many) links because I found it so amazingly informative, aligning with my worldview and well-written

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