🚨 ERP Technology Companies are Centralized Planners of the Economy🚨

For this episode I spoke to Chris D’Costa, the founder of Totem Live Accounting. Totem is building a real-time global accounting ledger built on the Polkadot blockchain to compete against traditional accounting and ERP software. During the interview we talk about how ERP companies are just a racket profiting off of built-in inefficiencies in their software

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@theblockchainsocialist
But doesn't that mean you already got the infrastructure for blockchain socialism? I mean, either way, ERP (The People's Republic of Walmart) or Totem Live Accounting (or some other projects in the wild...)?

(Might need to check out your episode...)

@bhaugen It's hard for me to say whether it's there or not largely because I don't think "blockchain socialism" is yet a coherent ideological project, I feel that it's still in the exploratory phase if it is to become one.

If the tech is there to do it, then the social aspects of building such a movement are way behind the technical aspects, but part of the reason I started the podcast was to try and build the beginnings of one if possible. I think there's a ways to go still.

@theblockchainsocialist
> If the tech is there to do it, then the social aspects of building such a movement are way behind the technical aspects

Totally agree. And I don't know about Totem Live Accounting, but the projects I know about that could do it well are almost by not quite there yet...

P.S. I've worked on 3 different ERP systems. They are interesting kludges. And yes they are a racket, but they are also the infrastructure used by most big capitalist corporations.

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@theblockchainsocialist
,,,continued...

Those systems and supply chains like The People's Republic of Walmart are what Uncle Karl meant about the new system evolving inside the old. One dying, one trying to be born.

@bhaugen
I forgot to say I mentioned that book in the beginning of the episode!

That's an interesting perspective but I guess ERP and logistics systems to point to the contradiction between the logic of capitalism and its practice. It's quite clear that planning is a necessary component of it as much as libertarians would like to say otherwise.

I'm curious to hear what other projects you think are almost there? Besides mikorizal of course :)

@theblockchainsocialist
> It's quite clear that planning is a necessary component of it as much as libertarians would like to say otherwise.

Also none of the commercial supply chains I've worked in or seen work the way the capitalist economists preach. They do not go out on the "free marker" and buy their components by price signals. They develop long-term contractual relationships where quality and dependability are more important than price.

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@theblockchainsocialist
> > I'm curious to hear what other projects you think are almost there? Besides mikorizal of course :)

Mikorizal is not really a software project anymore. We are getting too old, and are handing off the work to younger people.

I think bonfire.cafe/valueflows in the fediverse is promising and github.com/Holo-REA/ could be good .

But lots of interesting experiments now that I know nothing about, including blockchain ones...the time has come...

@bhaugen Oh nice thanks for sharing these projects, I'll give them a look :) If you and/or your wife are interested, I'd love to have you on the podcast to talk about your experience and share your wisdom with your experiments?

@theblockchainsocialist
Thanks for the offer but it would be better after one of the projects I mentioned goes live with a real user group. Thank we would have something fun to talk about,
Otherwise it's just a coupla old farts.

@bhaugen
Bonfire cafe seems to have little of real working apps advertised on the website - seems to have become a device/network infrastructure project, kinda like Holo in that regard? Is that right?
How can the software be thin, when CommonsPub folks have been at work on it? Am I missing something?
Maybe naively, I've been expecting to see Valueflows running on CommonsPub any day now - for a year at least!
@theblockchainsocialist

@mike_hales
> seems to have become a device/network infrastructure project, kinda like Holo in that regard? Is that right?

They intend to create a bunch of plugin modules that communities can mix and match.

Might or might not meet your expectation of "apps".

> Maybe naively, I've been expecting to see Valueflows running on CommonsPub any day now - for a year at least!

Yes "any day now - for a year at least" was naive. I hope we did not give you that impression.

@theblockchainsocialist

@yala
Thanks for this prompt. I'd forgotten that the Reflows incarnation of CommonsPub had been ticking along. This does look close to real life. Just add person-years of development time 🙄

But it's out there, to be mobilised. Congrats @mayel and @bonfire 👏 This should get more exposure. How long has development been at this point? Months? Lost in pandemic lockdown fog I wonder?
@bhaugen @theblockchainsocialist @mayel @Wtebbens @Matt_Noyes

@mike_hales @yala @bhaugen @theblockchainsocialist @Matt_Noyes @oli
Sounds like the same vision of "fab city" under a new name. Same people. The vision is good though and this (eu) money will help them continue their work. Will follow with interest.

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