The biggest predictor for swing towards Tories was not Brexit vote, but the share of workers in low-skilled jobs.

Labour used to be based on two basic ways of organising - unions, that gave higher wages and coops, that gave cheaper goods and services. These tangible economic benefits attracted those on low-income.

Karl Marx book clubs, seminars and podcasts about "Body Politics And Neoliberalism" and demonstrations like "Cops Off Campuses" attract uni folks who overanalyse and underorganise.

@LeoSammallahti Important framing: Time to not just talk about co-ops as political theory and get serious about building them.

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The framing was also slightly unnecessarily aggressive, was just so disappointed that Corbyn and his policies weren't enacted 😆 😡 !!

To make sure I'm not misunderstood - it's very important for the us in the coop movement to build a similar media ecosystem of blogs, social media groups, youtube channels, etc. that the open-source and blockchain movements have built.

But architects and interested residents alone don't make a house. We need builders and materials too!

@LeoSammallahti
Also I think need cooperatives of cooperatives. Internetworked cooperatives. Cooperative economic system. Can be bootstrapped, I think.

Plus houses, plus food, etc.

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@bhaugen
> cooperatives of cooperatives
Absolutely! Need for something at the scale of 'the state' isn't going to go away - region level, bioregion, industry sector, city, whatever. So yes, coops of coops. But also Commons of Commons.

imo . . A coop is no substitute for a commons. And a commons is 'more real' - more rooted in the composition of reality - than a coop. But governance in a commons isn't identical with governance of a coop and the difference matters. imo
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What would be a concrete example of a Commons of Commons?

Two concrete examples of Cooperative of Cooperatives might be mutualaidnetwork.org/

They have several co-ops as members, and also a related cooperative of worker co-ops:
madworc.org/

They do not yet do what I envision a cooperative of cooperatives to do, which is internetwork economically, where some co-ops provide inputs to other co-ops, forming a cooperative economic system.

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@bhaugen
> What would be a concrete example of a Commons of Commons?
A concrete case would be a coop that participates in one or more environmental commons (say, single-use plastic packaging, carbon-neutrality), a labour-power commons (a self-managed worker- and multi-stakeholder coop without separate management executives) and a regional provisioning economy operated as a commons of wellbeing.
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In all these contexts it would be
1 curating/contributing
2 stewarding and
3 enjoying/sensitively-using
This is what would make it a commons.
The provisioning region would (probably) be a more significant commons of commons instance.
The carbon-neutrality commons would be fabulous if it actually were an organisation that policed its members' actions with sanctions (which is what would make it a commons rather than just a loose affiliation of values).
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@mike_hales
> a regional provisioning economy operated as a commons of wellbeing.

How would that work? Will need lots of production and distribution of goods and services.

The labour-power commons will do the work? Who does the planning? The self-managed workers? Do you need to be a worker to get provisioned?

Where do cooperative principles apply, and where commons principles?

Yes I know I am asking for a book, but I don't expect one, just asking questions.

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@bhaugen
Am registering the practical questions. But declining to attempt answers at this time 😉 All in good time?
Coop principles as distinct from commons principles is a good one. It's a mapping I've not seen anyone do, and haven't yet had time to attempt.
> Do you need to be a worker to get provisioned?
Well, multi-stakeholder is the answer. Which is, of course, a whole further bunch of practical questions!
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@mike_hales
> All in good time?

Yes, I did not expect answers. Or at least not yet.

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@bhaugen
> Cooperative of Cooperatives, internetworking economically
Best example I know is in Fairtrade, where TWIN is a global 3rd-level multi-food-sector coop (performing some value-add ops in Europe eg chocolate). Members are 2nd-level trading coops, national level (eg Africa cocoa, Nicaragua coffee, UK chocolate). Comprising geog-local 1st-level worker coops growing (maybe processing) crops. I personally don't have details but can inquire?
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@bhaugen
TWIN = coop value chain, not (circular) coop economic system. THAT's the tough one?!
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@mike_hales
This is what I got when searching for TWIN. Is this what you meant?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-o

But yeah, that looks like a cooperative of cooperatives!

How well does it work as a cooperative?

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@bhaugen
TWIN stood for Third World Information Network.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Tra
Founded in the 80s by the Greater London Council. I think recently they’re in financial trouble - actually, I see they’ve been bought. But I will need to check the story.
Some of the folks here
thesocialbusinessnetwork.wordp
are the old hands i will ask, you might want to speak to them. Nick Hoskyns, Albert Tucker, Rachel Wallace. None are in mastodon. All are in Loomio.
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