I have a feeling that the FLOSS movement in spirit was constructed in the previous centralised computing paradigm with timesharing systems, and in some sense is left there. I wonder what its corresponding movement of our time would be, now that the pendulum has swung back from the desktop computing paradigm and into dumb terminals over a document format?

@alcinnz I think so, but not just that. If they used copyright law and GPL, I think we need to do similar forays into other fields, but I'm still quite fuzzy on the details of what that means.

@albin Well, Stallman, Maciej Cegłowski, later @aral , etc have talked about the concept of a General Data Minimisation Regulation (Aral's term).

I do think we should be campaigning for that. I don't know what else.

@alcinnz Without having read anything about it, it sounds reasonable to me!

@albin I'll look up some articals for you, but the idea is that if you can do your core job without uploading a piece of data to some central servers you are forbidden from doing so. And you can't say "but we can offer more conveniences by collecting this data".

@albin From Stallman's artical:

"There are so many ways to use data to hurt people that the only safe database is the one that was never collected. Thus, instead of the EU’s approach of mainly regulating how personal data may be used (in its General Data Protection Regulation or GDPR), I propose a law to stop systems from collecting personal data."

@alcinnz @albin this is a libertarian fantasy. Data has power for good and evil it's a choice and has been since we invented numbers and writing.


I'm not sure exactly a libertarian fantasy, but its certainly one that is definately pro individualisation

if you look and follow the logic to its extreme- dont store or share any data, you end up with something that could be called hyper individualization, something that maybe wouldnt be life?

Dont most interactions, between, not just humans, but any two given organisms, require some kind of exchange of 'data'

Life is a lot about connections and sharing

@alcinnz @albin

@dazinism @Hamishcampbell @albin Sure if you take it to the extreme, but that's not what I'm talking about. Because today we're at an opposite extreme.

@alcinnz @dazinism @Hamishcampbell I would be open to this move as pure strategy as well; as a potential means to stymie corporate growth and create a breathing space. In that case, the question becomes how to avoid that strategy backfiring or being circumvented?

@albin @alcinnz @dazinism @Hamishcampbell

This is definitely not a cure-all, or even a proposal, but is anything happening about licenses for data similar to licenses for software? I know, creative commons, but I am thinking about your personal data that accompanies your online activities of all kinds.

Like, there are good uses for open data in science etc. And then bad uses...

@bhaugen @albin @dazinism @Hamishcampbell Strikes me that the trick would be in making sure the license accompanies the data whenever you share it...

Sounds harder then it is for software, but I'd love to see it figured out!

@Hamishcampbell @alcinnz @albin @dazinism

P.S. I am not arguing a position, just thinking about those two issues at the same time...

@bhaugen @alcinnz @albin @dazinism

That's a good subject as a healthy society is based on trust. Over the last 30 years we have been pushing society in unhealthy direction's. And privacy and openness (trust) are at the core of this. The #encryptionists are part of the problem not a part of the solution the last 10 years in alt-tec.

@bhaugen @alcinnz @albin @dazinism

If anyone is looking for good #openweb projects to help out as sysadmin and user admins we are running 5 instances at #OMN thinking about booting up a few more activertypub instances.

We have foundation funding to cover the server costs till the community's are self funding/managing.

@Hamishcampbell @bhaugen @albin @dazinism Doesn't encryption allow us to decide who we trust and who we don't, rather than blindly trusting everyone?

I really think there's room for both encryption and trust based security. We need both for anything to work.

@alcinnz @bhaugen @albin @dazinism

For the last 10 years the #encryptionists agenda has been pushed over all #openweb tech, yes it's a question of balance. #4opens trust projects such as mastodon have a huge potential we have only just started to work through. Let's do more #OMN

@Hamishcampbell @dazinism @albin @bhaugen @alcinnz I'm expecting that 2019 will be a very successful year for #openweb projects. Maybe a "year of federation" as more ActivityPub things start working together.
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