OK! Here's the job post!

- Ruby (Rails) + JavaScript (React) mostly
- 16~32 hours per week, your discretion.
- $66.10~$96.14/hr (With a cap of $120k/yr; so 24 hours/wk at top-end)
- Building software that's used in classrooms around the world to nurture self-actualization from an early age.

It's a ~10 person collectively-managed team that is carefully, intentionally, and deliberately moving towards being a worker .


@Zee I missed the deets - are you working with these folks?

@christa Yea! I started working with them in 2019. Outside of dev-work I mostly do things like:

- Establishing a circle for holding financial decisions so it wasn't just the Founder/CEO.
- Setting up a Balanced Board, with worker-representation matching the Founder's representation at the Governance level.
- Supporting the CEO's transition out of the company as it became collectively managed.
- Facilitating the Coop conversion

@Zee I'm having trouble seeing the jurisdiction for your job posting (I would guess Seattle WA and that you want applicants with right to work south of the 49th)

@bookandswordblog it sounds like you got it? Is there somewhere else you thought it should be?

@Zee I had to go to the 'about' page, and I once worked for a 'California startup' whose entire workforce except one executive was located in BC :)

@bookandswordblog ahh, we’re pretty distributed but there’s a cluster of folks in Seattle and a (vacant) office

@Zee @ljwrites The job page failed to load, but the company sounds rad as hell. Co-op software product company… the fuckin’ dream.

@benhamill @ljwrites hmm odd. It loads fine, and our alerting didn’t yell about any outages… wonder why it didn’t load.

@Zee @benhamill uh-oh, I hope a potential outage didn't drive away potential applicants. If you're not buried in applications yet, maybe that's why :D

@ljwrites @benhamill ha, I mean we don’t often have outages, so that’s why I’m confused. It’s essentially a static site behind a load balancer on heroku, so it not loading would be a real head scratcher

@Zee @ljwrites I got a friendly "we couldn't load everything we needed to load to display this" message, so I don't think anything was _down_. I wonder if it coulda been ad blocker something something blocking some JS library or... IDK. It loads on desktop for me. 🤷‍♂️

@benhamill @ljwrites Ahhh, yea... that's the result of a front-end build pipeline that... needs to be revisited.

It's on my "TODOS"

@wxcafe @haskal Someday we will be hiring an ops-oriented person. Especially if my long-term plot to build a network of SaaS Worker/User Coops comes to fruition.

@Zee Quite interested in the position myself; it seems like a good fit!

@Austin_Dern Tanks for the boost! Feel free to apply through the form!

@Zee I have! I'm eager for a chance to do get back to educational, or education-supporting, work.

@Austin_Dern Yay! EdTech is definitely a powerful lever for social change. Especially EdTech that's not profit-maximization or ideological-indoctrination orieted

@Zee When I first moved to silicon valley, my partner at the time would wake up sometimes and just... not go to work. I'd be like "how can you just not go to work." and he'd be like "eh, I don't feel like coding today." Which blew my fucking mind. How d'you gonna just... not show up to work and still have a job tomorrow..." That took a lot of getting used to.

@Bear We have pretty generous unpaid leave policies, if you don't want to work that day you do have to use PTO; but if you don't have PTO it just winds up being UPTO.

If calling out happens regularly we'd probably want to talk about reducing the hours-per-week to a more sustainable pace; as people not being where they say they will be when they say they will be can make running a business together really hard.

@Zee He was on salary and since then I've heard of a lot of other programmers who have a similar work schedule. Their managers are terrified to force them to work because it will break their fragile focus zone and make them useless.

@Bear That sounds like an incredibly stressful environment to work in!

@Zee Oh wow, an /actual non-8-hours-a-day software job!!/

We've done quite a bit of JS, both client-side and Node, and have been wanting to learn Ruby (although know nothing about Rails and have never done React). Been thinking we just couldn't do software dev stuff because it's all full-time (and we're too burnt out to be able to handle a full-time job), but then this shows up...

@Zee ...yikes, using a Google Form for the application is extremely.... I dunno how to put it in words... unfriendly? It's like "oh of course everyone's okay with telling Google what jobs they're applying for and everything about them".

Is there a way to apply that isn't through Google?

@IceWolf At this time, we're just using the form. I'll check on Tuesday; but because we're a small team the operational overhead of either A) using another platform or B) handling inbound via Plain-old-email may be too much overhead.

It's a google workspace account, which has significantly stricter privacy restrictions.

@Zee Huh! Thanks. Didn't know Google had special workspace account stuff.

I don't /entirely/ trust Google not to just put the info in its Big Data Machine anyway. Might go ahead and use the form if another option doesn't come up on Tuesday, though.

(If we end up actually getting the job, I wonder if I could build an application form. A basic HTML form with a small server to stash the data doesn't seem too hard to write.)

@IceWolf Bear in mind, any additional server being hosted adds to logistical complexity for the organization. It's not a queston of technical capability or financial costs; but keeping the moving parts that we are responsible for to a minimum so we can focus on what matters most: Providing Montessori teachers around the world with super powers as they teach the next generation of children.

@Zee Not my skillset, but this sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

@Zee this is the most compelling job ad I've ever seen.

That's a much smaller company than I'm used to; is it... "profitable" is probably the wrong word for this sort of thing, but in a place where it's financially sustainable long term?

@emily it regularly pays out bonuses to the employees due to the net revenues for the year being significant enough to be worth distributing rather than saving.

@Zee that answers that, then. I am extremely tempted.

@emily see caveat follow up. We do only grow from profits, and because we’re a collectively managed workplace it’s a lot easier to navigate uncertainty without forcing anyone to sacrifice their socioeconomic safety.

@Zee Noted.

I'd be willing to hear more about that last bit, if you've got the time or links. I'm familiar with the concept of co-ops, but have not worked at one, nor heard that particular benefit explicitly stated before.

@emily sure! So, like many of the people who work there are in high demand skills, and working part time already. We have an explicit policy that if wages have to go down or stay below inflation reductions come from the folks making the most and with the highest optionality before impacting lowest paid workers.

@emily our minimum hourly compensation is pegged to the MIT living wage calculators entry for King County, WA for a single parent raising a single child; multiplied by 1.25.

We also allow people to set their own compensation, so long as A) it does not push our compensation budget last the Finance Circles “safe to spend” on wages number and B) does not exceed 2x our minimum wage and C) they have sought the advice of their peers, through our compensation self review process.

@emily that said? Bezos had been funding a “Montessori style” private school system. It’s entirely possible they will attempt to enter our market and squish us out of existence by throwing money at the market.

We aren’t scared, but we do have our eyes on that (and other) high impact risks.

@Zee Looks soo great, you make me regret that I just took a new job.

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