@Antanicus Although Apple got away with including a micro-USB dongle to their proprietary connectors...

@bhtooefr still, they had to obey the regulation. I take that as a point for the EU standards :)

@kaniini @Antanicus I thought USB-C was a last-minute inclusion in the regulations, to avoid that particular dongle being needed?

@Antanicus And this one is still not implemented/respected: Iphones are still using their connectors, and new androids are using USB-C.
@lanodan @Antanicus it was followed for a long time but usb-c is better than microusb in almost every way
@kaniini @Antanicus The only cons I see with USB-C is that it’s introducing yet another connector.

@Antanicus this needs to be taught in schools, free markets basically never work in the long run.

@Antanicus and boy was there opposition to this!! Phone manufacturers where crying wolf, claiming the sky will fall down, etc, etc.

All because they wanted to keep charging (no pun intended) users for their bullshit phone chargers a couple of bucks more.

@rysiek @Antanicus gaia think of the waste all those charger variations must have produced, actually no scratch that I know how much waste it produces because my family stories everything and it normally falls on me to explain that "no these charges will be useful for absolutely nothing in the future, they where manufactured to be replaced almost immediately".

@tastytentacles @rysiek @Antanicus and from memory all random different voltages and low-ish power, so you couldn't even chop the connector off and re-use the power supply for some other DIY electronics project (at least a +5V or +12V one can often be useful with other equipment)

@vfrmedia @rysiek @Antanicus mhmm, not to mention that they where all the laziest possible construction that it was impossible to repair if it broke.

@tastytentacles @rysiek @Antanicus quite a lot of small switch mode PSU/chargers are like that, manufacturers claim its "safety requirements" but price replacemens too high which encourages to buy even worse (and often dangerous) ones as replacements

I keep some as well. I have a small collection of various voltage transformers. And I use them when I need some particular voltage and I find a match (must match max current as well). Connectors can be replaced ; sometimes I just directly connect wires.

But that's still so little re-use of so many manufactured stuff :(
@Antanicus @rysiek

@youen @rysiek @Antanicus I picked up a cheap variable power supply not to long ago, but I have never tried bear wiring it into something to charge it.

just reminds me of my friends jury rigged PC power supply, he must have disassembled and rebuilt that thing a million times but I was always waiting for it to explode.

@tastytentacles @youen @Antanicus fun fact, I tried fixing my 13000mAh powerbank today and got some nice blue smoke out of it.

That thing (IF I fix it) is going to be fun at airport security.

@Antanicus apple on Macbook Pro: usb c is the future.

iPhone X : lightning ports


LB: I boost this to comment on it.

1) The agreement was in 2009, not 2004. Micro-USB wasn't even released as a spec until 2007.

2) The ten largest phone manufacturers voluntarily agreed to standardize, by offering either μUSB ports on phones or μUSB adapters for their proprietary plugs.

3) The EU wasn't the reason for the agreement; they were following a trend. GSMA, the global cell carriers' association, and the Chinese government had already published similar mandates.

@noelle "reduce electronic waste" these plugs are cheap and fragile as fuck, it was not common back in the day to buy new chargers for your phone because they didn't break that easily

@Antanicus depends on the definition of “efficient”. Your definition is minimizing the number of adapters in landfills and compatibility between devices. That is good from a consumer and environmental standpoint, but less so for vendors that may have made more money by selling more proprietary adapters.

@Antanicus so this is the bad guy, huh?

SERIOUSLY, (redacted by myself), microUSB sucks.

miniUSB is a million times better. For a small tradeoff of a few cubic milimeters of space, we would get a connector that doesn't suck (i.e. works after two years of everyday charge instead of just falling out of the port)

@antanicus It doesn't detract from your argument, but it was trivial for them to sign a voluntary EU agreement when China had already legally forced everyone to implement USB connectors. :-)

I've found a reference about a 2009 specification (not 2004). It isn't mandatory to respect that specification. But apparently, it helped :)


Fairphone does not sell by default a charger with new phones, assuming most people already have one, which is quite right. But of course they have been criticized for "not even putting the required charger in the box to save money". Strange world we live in...

About Apple, which did sign in 2009, "The Commission does not have evidence that Apple has breached the [MoU] agreement. The iPhone 5 can be used with an adaptor allowing it to be connected to the common charger." (same wikipedia source en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common).

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